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It is unclear if Trump administration backs deal that would mean Kyiv giving up territory and slashing size of military

US and Russian officials have quietly drafted a new plan to end the war in Ukraine that would require Kyiv to surrender territory and severely limit the size of its military, it was reported on Wednesday as Russian drone and missile strikes killed at least 25 people in the city of Ternopil.

The draft plan, which was reportedly developed by Donald Trump’s envoy, Steve Witkoff, and the Kremlin adviser Kirill Dmitriev, would force draconian measures on Ukraine that would give Russia unprecedented control over the country’s military and political sovereignty. The plan is likely to be viewed as surrender in Kyiv.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

As an outsider looking in, I feel that Ukraine is clearly winning this war. There is no value in accepting the 'plan' of a false ally.

A peace plan drafted by NATO sans the United States would make much more sense, because they would have to deal with the fallout if they made Versailles Treaty v2.0.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

So the US idea of a "peace plan" is the capitulation of Ukraine and preparing Russia to take what is left in five years time?

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 14 hours ago

Well trumps plan but everyone already knew that. If the Democrats would have won the last election, it probably would have went in a totally different direction. The Democrats are more aligned with the European countries. The Republicans with the oil producing countries and authoritarians.

[–] respectmahauthoritybrah@sh.itjust.works 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Anyone outside of the of the US privileged goons who thought “gaza is not my problem” will soon realized what happened there isnt just a conflict, but a total annihilation of the supposed “international law”

Any country is now free to do whatever the fuck it wants if it can “donate” or “flatter” the rogue state of United states enough… Fuck russia israel and the US, and even the EU which keeps supporting these murdererers under the guise of “neutrality”

Have fun as we head back to a world where borders are decided by force and u can get wiped out because of following the wrong ideology or being the wrong ethnicity

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If Russia ends up winning after all this.. all around depressing and sets a very serious precedent.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 71 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't know how things end, but Ukraine should never have to surrender.

[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago

Afaik they are winning, why would they capitulate?

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

Russia is desperate, their only leverage these days is oil and nukes. They won't nuke anything because they'll get nuked back immediately and hit again with third strike weapons. Ukraine is effectively hammering their oil distribution and production and this Russia is losing leverage.

[–] rayyy@piefed.social -5 points 1 day ago

It would make zero difference. Putin will continue to take more Ukraine soil.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Trump works for Putin. Even when he says he's mad at Putin, he still is in his employ (or being blackmailed).

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Trump is probably the most compromised corrupt official to ever get into the White House.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago

Putin has the pictures of Trump putin Bubba's balls in his mouth

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 19 points 2 days ago

Chamberlain would be proud.

Trump would consider himself as a peace maker, but this would essentially dismantle NATO as it currently is. Nobody would base their security on unstable US.

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 7 points 1 day ago

stop LARPing, US. this doesn't concern you.