NZ is technically allowed to join Australia anytime they want.
this post was submitted on 22 Nov 2025
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In the 1970s, when the NZ Prime Minister Robert Muldoon was asked about the high numbers of New Zealanders leaving for Australia he replied:
"It raises the IQ of both countries".
Just brilliant!
He stole that from a comedian BTW, it wasn't his joke. Still funny though.
Here are some raw official statistics: https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/international-migration-july-2025/
After having a look at the graphs: The data looks pretty normal and is within the previously observed boundaries.
On a side note:
- +1 for the goverment website, other countries could learn from that
- Also nice to have non US news here for once
A businessman-cum-conservative leads the country since 2023, in coalition with far-right populists.
After two terms of Labour government.
Pretty much the same happened in my country, and yes, the effects are palpable, esp. if you work in the public or social sector.
Yeah, it must be quite jarring to go from this badass
to Kiwi Trump in just a couple years!
Similar to the US going from Obama to Trump in 2016. Left got complacent, while the right stoked fear with lies and propaganda.
That fear mongering and manipulation did not only come from internal right wing forces but has been a coordinated effort through social media influence by adversaries. It’s still happening and it’s happening all over the world apart from the couple of countries it’s originating from.
Obama was not a badass, he was a charismatic young illegal drone striking war criminal who reversed course on several key campaign promises.
He wasn't Trump, but he wasn't a leftist workers hero, you deserve and should demand better than Democrats.
Everyone wants to remember the hope and change, no one wants to remember the extrajudicial killing of Americans.
Also, there was a lot more hope than change.
Ultimately, Obama did a perfect job executing neoliberalism. And by demonstrating the outcomes of neoliberalism when perfectly executed, I think he also executed neoliberalism in the other meaning.
Exactly. When he took the stage to a cheering crowd after his win, I KNEW he would just be one more weak, useless Democratic placeholder, just there to give the PedoCons enough time for bad memories of the last disastrous Republican administration to fade, so they can manipulate their way back into office, and continue their destruction.
Did he ever claim to be a leftist?
Besides you guys, nobody even knows what that means. When you drag "liberals" on Lemmy and Reddit, most people just think you're a trump supporter.
That’s what happens when morons vote in fascists.
also the HCOL in Nz apparently.
A local economics podcast gave me an interesting point, which was that post covid Australia had one of the better unemployment rates, and it 100% came down to government funding jobs in the care sector. Now I do understand some of those aged/disability care programs got ripped off (like NDIS), but the guests claimed that countries relying on private sector jobs to bounce back basically have worse numbers. Food for thought in the role of government intervention in markets
The NDIS scam claims are far overstated from what I understand speaking to people in the system.
The biggest scam recently was the payouts to businesses during Covid. Just to scratch the surface for example we paid $13bil to businesses that increased their profits during 2020-21 covid crisis, under the guise of Jobkeeper. I know many businesses that took payment despite knowing they had not had 30% downturn, because there were no clawback methods in the legislation. Free money from the taxpayer.
I'd love to move to NZ but your immigration laws are insane...
I'm austrian and it's basically impossible to move to NZ for me
I promise you you wouldn't like living there as much as you think. I agree our immigration laws are really shitty though, and you should be allowed to come find out for yourself what a crappy country we are.
When I was in NZ it was a fabulous country with really friendly people. Even the cops.
But this was 20 years ago. Though it sounds like it was a great place under Jacinta too.
There's a lot of things the Ardern government failed on. Cost of living, cost of housing, both to rent and to buy, child poverty, they all got measurably worse under her government.
She's viewed far more favourably than she deserves to be, especially internationally where their failures didn't make the news.
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of wonderful things about it, but living there is much worse than visiting. It is very normal to have mould all through your house and have to wear your coat indoors in the winter because you can't afford to heat and the house has no insulation, we have staggeringly high levels of poverty for a "developed" country. Yes, people are friendly, the nature is some of the best in the world, and the lifestyle is relaxed. But the disparity between incomes and cost of living means most normal people are really quite struggling to make ends meet, the health system is a shell of its former self, and things are just overall getting worse quite rapidly. I know that's not unique, most of the Anglosphere has basically the same issues, but we already started at the lower-income end of that group.
I understand. I wasn't aware of that. I don't think those problems were around when I was there, or at least not as severely. And yes the nature is amazing. I'd go there on holiday all the time if it wasn't 24 hours actual flight time 😭
Ignore the doomer. There are some ratty old houses around, but there are also plenty of places that are modern and well insulated. We've had something of a building boom over the last few years, driven in large part due to changes in zoning rules, so a huge number of town houses and apartments have been built. It's also possible to retrofit insulation to an extent, which we've done in our house. We now have underfloor and ceiling insulation, as well as double glazed windows.
A lot of rentals have been retrofitted wherever possible, as there are now minimum standards for rental properties.
You already have austriankiwi at home. No need to emigrate.
there is no cause for alarm, noting that global workforce flows continue to bring skilled migrants into the country
Hey USA, this is the time. Not next year, right. This. Minute.
I gladly welcome New Zealand into the third world.