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Face worse? They are going to get invaded a second time? Because yes, that is the fear and why they won't sign shit.
"HEY, BULLY, AND NERD, STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER! I DON'T CARE WHO STARTED IT, JUST GIVE HIM YOUR LUNCH MONEY OR IT WILL BE WORSE TOMORROW!"
Second? Crimea was the first, this is second.
Russia is hoping third time is the charm
This has been going on since russian empire was not afraid to call itself that. The label changed multiple times, the imperialism did not.
In before ML claim that only the west can be imperial. There's a reason all of Russia's neighbors are Leary of them. And that former conquered states abolished most of the Soviet iconography placed in their states. And are fighting tooth and nail to stay separate. The USSR was one of the most imperialistic colonizing countries of the 20the century. Colonizing and conquering most of their neighbors.
Aaaah shit man I forgot how many times they've already done that, my bad. Like, remember that time when they signed a sovereignty agreement with Russia in exchange for their nukes post 1991? I remember that, in that they said that, the agreement was that, give up the nukes to Russia, and you won't be invaded.
Then they got invaded.
Twice?
Am I still off by the count? Because I seem to recall something from the 2nd World War where they starved the country to death but I'm drunk so forgive me if my memory is foggy I'm sure someone will set me straight
Not WW2, but in 1930s there was a massive famine caused by Soviet fuckups. One could argue whether it was intentional or mismanagement (or intentional concealment of mismanagement), but either way, a whole lot of people died that didn't have to.
This is a hail Mary for Putin. He knows his goose is cooked if Russia doesn't win, and the only way he can win is if Trump forces Ukrain to surrender.
The bad news for Putin is that everybody already knows this, and also knows that Trump can't really do much except act like the assclown that he is. The Europeans aren't going to reward Putin. And they know that Trump's days are numbered, and each of those days is going to show more cognitive decline and increasingly grotesque displays of megalomania, even if one of his many other crimes and scandals doesn't render him incapable of further outrages.
And whether it's Trump or Putin who goes first, the other will soon follow. They are propping each other up, and the whole arrangement is unstable.
Unfortunately the EU is sucking up to Trump nonstop. Now weakening the GDPR for example, and promising billions of investment while receiving nothing in return but a weak promise that there will be no further tariffs.
What, are they going to bomb civilians and infrastructure so that we have power cuts every day? Oh wait...
I wish US officials the worse fate possible.
So MAGA actually stands for Make America Subservient To Russian And Israeli Interests? Who woulda tohunkit
Anyone with 2 brain cells thunk it
Agent Krasnov doing his thing. One argument more for Europe to build up it's military power and finally get their shit together.
As horrible as it would be, if Ukraine never backs down and ends up going down in flames it will at least serve as a historical reminder of what happens when you treat the USA as a friend. This is a mark that would not be erased easily; Nazi Germany is still thought of and talked about almost 100 years since it happened, and Backstabbing USA would be no different.
People will remember why Ukraine fell, and they will know who not to trust. The USA has spent a long, long time getting the world hooked on their technology and aid, and in one short year Trump has torn a lot of it down to the point that people globally are actively looking for alternatives.
I mean, that was his goal. Either destroy trust to weaken our position globally for the benefit of someone else, or blind adherence to the belief that other countries are the only beneficiary of the relationship we have with them, and they need to "stop freeloading". That in exchange for military defense, technology, aid, and everything else we get unparalleled military freedom, everyone meeting us on our terms and first mover advantage, control of global financial markets and preferential market access basically everywhere. Their boneheaded view that government is a business and everyone who came before just didn't understand somehow is infuriating.
Why is anyone listening to the US anymore? They are turning themselves into North Korea and losing any credibility they might have had. Who gives a shit what they say anymore?
Because Europe has had half a decade to fill the void and they can't get it done and continue to act like cost efficiency is the name of the game.
Europeans seem to want to rag on about the US being irrelevant while being completely unwilling to put their money where their mouths are.
I am very supportive of Europe, but they need to wake up to that reality and stop bickering about pennies.
They should have been at wartime production years ago, and yet they still don't even have a 5th let alone 6th gen fighter jet.
The fact that the USA, who is currently chopping its own legs off, is managing to provide just about equally to the Ukrainian war effort to you, who are literally neighbours, should be embarrassing and sobering, but instead people just keep complaining and expecting the US to both shut up, and fix it.
And who exactly are these leaders working on behalf of? Because it sounds like this absolutely dogshit deal favors the Russians and gives them everything they want. They’re holding Ukraine at gunpoint and threatening them to accept a very unfavorable deal. With the Russians beside them.
A deal with Russia isn't worth the paper it's written on.
This war is only even possible because they've already violated an agreement they had with Ukraine. It would be insane for Ukraine to agree to a different deal for safety when they already did that and got back stabbed.
Meanwhile Europe will push Ukraine not to sign the deal (not that much persuasion will be necessary) because Europe doesn't want to set the precedent that Russia can just eat away at Europe.
As for the threat from the US that Ukraine will get a worse deal if they don't sign, given how crap the current deal is, I can't see how it could reasonably get any worse, unless it's total surrender, but that won't fly because there would be literally no point even considering that. The Trump administration really are useless at negotiating, they think they can strong arm Ukraine, but they don't actually have any cards.
How exactly is this going to be worse? Putin keeps a bunch of territory, gets welcomed back into the global economy, Ukraine gets hard limits on NATO membership and they're on military in exchange for a weak non-guarantee of security. You could sum the whole thing up as 'let's all agree Russia won'.
It's bullshit. It legitimizes military conquest of territory. The only compromise should be that Russia stops their illegal invasion, Russia's internationally held funds are 100% given to Ukraine for reconstruction, and the border territories get to hold a vote to decide which country they want to be a part of.
As this is now, it's just legitimizing the occupation. As an American I am very disappointed that our President would push such a thing.
Yup. And the only reason for Russia to insist Ukraine never join NATO would be so Russia could attack them again in the future without consequence.
It’s bullshit. It legitimizes military conquest of territory
Look, don't get me wrong here, I'm Ukrainian on my fathers side, but that line of argument doesn't quite hold water when you look at what the US has been up to for the past 100 years. In some sick sense, I get it, it's like, Putin is saying, fuck you, if the US can wage wars of conquest, so can we.
Clearly not as successfully, but I understand how you could defend that rationale. Jesus christ don't think I'm defending the Russians here, I'm just saying, for real like. Slava Ukraini.
or the argument holds water and also the US has consistently been in the wrong for the same reasons
Ukraine will face worse in the future if they take the deal. Nations which went down fighting rose again, but those which tamely surrendered were finished.
russia is losing bad, so putin pressures krasnov to force ukraine into an unfavorable deal or he will release some of the epstein files, or redirect his troll farms to attack krasnov.
While I'm not at all unfriendly towards anti-Russia propaganda.... are they really?
The press around the Alaska meeting was interesting. I remember it being reported that Trump team appearing to look visibly shocked as they left the behind closed doors meeting. That it ended early, etc I wonder what was said....
If there is a peace deal to be brokered by outsiders, it should be through NATO without the USA. Europe still vaguely recalls what came of the Versailles Treaty, so EURO-NATO would at least try to make sure things turn out alright.
Any deal that is conceived by the USA is inherently bad, because the Childfucker In Chief wants to molest the world and to fill his pockets with misbegotten gains.
I literally have no horse in this race, but I still feel sick to my stomach thinking "please don't cave in to this asshole and completely waste that many lives and years for nothing"
This is a make or break moment when Europe has to tell America to fuck off or it'll be absolutely heartbreaking.
There’s that shady salesman tactic of “buy this bad product now for a low price”
Art of the deal
Trump always backs down, Zelensky should call and see what he's holding at this stage. Russia has always been the USAs biggest bogeyman, I can't actually see them pulling out completely
And if they do sign the deal, it's probably installing a Russian puppet regime, squeezing every penny by USA and Russia to pay back the war and a new invasion in 10 years.
What the fuck is the US doing?
Well it's obvious but how in the fuck
Dear Krasnov - Quit Piggy.
US says a lot of things often contradicting itself these days. If most of the world hasn't stopped listening to what it has to say, it soon will
Get it already. You should consider the current US administration as a group of imbeciles.
It would be nice if I could say I hope the Europeans will tell Trump to shove his idiotic "plan" where the sun don't shine. If only they weren't a bunch of fucking spineless twerps.
You mean Putin says...
Since 85 years, you should know, that appeasement never worked well..
How does Trump know?
America is such a pathetically weak country led by compromised pedophiles.
Americans can kindly go fuck off under a rock in the ocean.
Cowardly cunts, then entire fucking lot of you. Enjoy your new control under Russia pussies.
You can literally replace "US" with "Russia" in this title and it would still make perfect sense.
isnt it obvious this is buzzword straight from putins mouth, through KRASNOV.
OK boomer.