this post was submitted on 30 Nov 2025
227 points (83.7% liked)

Progressive Politics

3522 readers
552 users here now

Welcome to Progressive Politics! A place for news updates and political discussion from a left perspective. Conservatives and centrists are welcome just try and keep it civil :)

(Sidebar still a work in progress post recommendations if you have them such as reading lists)

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Socialjusticewarrior@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Isn't that what countries are supposed to do? Prioritizing taking care of their own population first? Does that make me sound like a nazi? I dont think so...

Also, the nazis werent really into what youre talking about anyway, youre just making stuff up..

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Taking care of their own at the expense of others?

[–] Socialjusticewarrior@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

...what?

Uhh yes? Should a country take care of their own at the expense of another county? Uhh 1000000% yes! Its how the world works my friend.

I feel you have some sort of unrealistic idealistic utopia imagined for the world? I dont know. And also dont care now

Edit: Ideally, such a country should try to thrive without the expense of anyone, of course.

[–] moonshadow@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

Borders racist, nationalism bad

[–] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Using the phrase “in-group” to describe an entire society, group of societies really - just for the purpose of calling somebody a Nazi - is pointlessly edgy, and makes the word so broad it’s meaningless.

The correct words are available…they even used one of them.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"Is pointlessly edgy"

Expect nothing less from BadEmpanada, he's the king of hyperbole and needlessly inflammatory accusations.

I have to admit I have no idea who that is.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And who is the outgroup that Mamdani doesn't want to have free buses? (because I'm assuming this shit take is about Zohran Mamdani)

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

You can always rely on Geneva here to have shit takes about Mamdani. They hate him for whatever reason.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] madjo@feddit.nl 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Oh I didn't know that Zohran became mayor of Israel.

Last I heard was that he had become mayor of NYC, and even the Palestinians living in NYC will be able to ride the free bus in NYC. So again, who is the outgroup?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

Last I heard Zohran Mamdani was telling people to vote for top AIPAC recipient and massive Zionist Hakeem Jeffries who supports murdering the out-group (Palestinians) so that the in-group (Americans) could get free busses.

Is this really so difficult to understand or do you simply not want to understand it?

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bro is cheering on Nazis and doesn't even know it.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

Ironic comment

[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

Even this framing sanewashes the Nazis.

The actual Nazi party delivered none of this while gutting government services and selling services (like the post office) off to the lowest bidder.

The term "privatization" was coined in order to describe what the Nazis were doing in Germany

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 64 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Bad Empanada with lunatic shit takes as always.

Politics are local. Change things locally first, before attempting world wide change.

Assuming the whole world even wants the change you want locally is an imperialist mindset.

Just tankies using their world revolution fantasies to not work towards actual change.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"The Nazis ate vegetables with their meals."

"If you sit down at the dinner table, and you eat vegetables -- then there is much less separating you from the Nazis than you think."

Even beyond the bullshitness of the idea that the Nazis were earnestly trying to give social services to people in their in-group, the problem with the Nazis was not that they did want certain services to be provided to certain people. The problem was those other things that they did, that were different from providing services.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The problem was those other things that they did, that were different from providing services.

And even when speaking specifically about services, the fact that they specifically wanted the outgroup to not have them. If you're actually against foreigners having these things, instead of simply focusing on getting them at home first, then Bad Empanada is right about you, but I don't think that person actually exists. Maybe Jackson Hinkle or someone thinks that.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And the Nazis very importantly did not want social services for everyone in their country. That was a big part of their platform.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

Yeah, that's my point. The Nazis wanted social services for specific people within their jurisdiction. Socdems, or whomever Bad Empanada is complaining about, want social services for everyone in their jurisdiction.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 27 points 3 days ago (12 children)

"I want my workplace to have better working conditions"

"Fucking Nazi!"

lol

load more comments (12 replies)
[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not very impressed with this BadEmpanada guy

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Nor should you be lol

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

He's right in that the hatred and oppression of the outgroups has been exported to the third world. But this is not quite the same purpose that the outgroup served under Nazi Germany. The outgroup served some material benefit in work camps during the war but this was not it's main purpose.

The main purpose was to direct the failures of capitalism to a scapegoat. To unite the nation under fascism and nationalism so that as the material conditions of the working class continued to decline the hatred would further be directed at that group.

And, while the US is definitely directing it's xenophobia in a way similar to this, it is not being done by the same group that wants healthcare and high speed rail. The group that wants healthcare and high speed rail barely has any influence in American politics.

I think BE has this take because he spends far too much time arguing with liberals that have no understanding of Imperialism but do want "better things and not worse things" and so attracted to DSA candidates and that movement.

There is no class consciousness in the US. And BE keeps arguing for a new political party while at the same time criticizing an organization who's main material benefit is not in electoral politics. DSA is a stepping stone for education. It is not that movement. If you're reading this and at all think you are a leftist, then chances are, you started that journey with Bernie in 2016. Bernie is a SocDem Zionist. He's not what we want. But he was a stepping stone for many people that grew up in their politics to realize that "the left" is not the Democratic party at all.

It's why he doesn't talk about PSL at all but spends all day critizing DSA. If he promoted PSL instead of DSA I would take his criticism more seriously. If he was offering an alternative I would take his criticism more seriously. He has good criticism that a lot of leftist will nod their head and agree with. BUT, he is serving the purpose of inaction. He is giving leftist a place to reasonably decide to just not do anything and maintain their doomerism. Whether this is his intention or not really doesn't matter. Whether he sometimes mentions vaguely what should be done instead does not matter. His viewers are consuming his content to serve the rational of their own inaction.

PSL is essentially exactly what he wants people to be doing. They focus on material support and improvement at the community level and run political candidates as a means of exposure. But I don't think he actually cares. I think he enjoys being critical more than he enjoys being helpful. If he wanted to be helpful he'd offer analysis on why DSA is able to get mass political exposure by running political candidates and why PSL fails to do so. That would be a good video and would better serve to introduce his viewers to an alternative.

PSL needs more leftist. But we're not getting any more of you showing up because you watched a BE video criticizing DSA. You know you just sit at home instead.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Just logging that I don't think sharing random takes by internet people is a great use of this comm. I appreciate the one large post of analysis in the comments, but I'm not convinced people are making it here (7 upvotes vs 99 on the OP atow), and I'm not sure sharing the short take to vaguely dunk or vibe with is useful.

I'm considering blocking the OP to improve my feed (just to match content I want; this is certainly not report worthy), but would appreciate hearing others reasons for wanting to see this post first.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

Well, someone didn’t like being told lol

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Needs text alternative.Images of text break much that text alternatives do not. Losses due to image of text lacking alternative such as link:

  • usability
    • we can't quote the text without pointless bullshit like retyping it or OCR
    • text search is unavailable
    • the system can't
      • reflow text to varied screen sizes
      • vary presentation (size, contrast)
      • vary modality (audio, braille)
  • accessibility
    • lacks semantic structure (tags for titles, heading levels, sections, paragraphs, lists, emphasis, code, links, accessibility features, etc)
    • some users can't read this due to lack of alt text
    • users can't adapt the text for dyslexia or vision impairments
    • systems can't read the text to them or send it to braille devices
  • web connectivity
    • we have to do failure-prone bullshit to find the original source
    • we can't explore wider context of the original message
  • authenticity: we don't know the image hasn't been tampered
  • searchability: the "text" isn't indexable by search engine in a meaningful way
  • fault tolerance: no text fallback if
    • image breaks
    • image host is geoblocked due to insane regulations.

Contrary to age & humble appearance, text is an advanced technology that provides all these capabilities absent from images.

There was that whole genocidal, racial supremacist, fascism thing…

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 5 points 3 days ago

I can't even find the source of the post.

load more comments
view more: next ›