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[–] RalfWausE@blackneon.net 188 points 1 week ago (20 children)

First: It's funny, because it is happening to Russians

Second: It's fucking scary, because it can happen everywhere. Fuck cars that rely on digital services.

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[–] rezad@lemmy.world 117 points 1 week ago (2 children)

first they disabled Russian porsches and I didn't care because I am not a russian owner of a porsche.

then they came for Ukrainian tractors and I didn't care because I am not an Ukrainian owner of a tractor.

then step by step everything was digitally locked and I owned nothing and I was not really happy.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just got a dishwasher and it doesn't even have an app. How can that be?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just got a toilet and it doesn’t even have an app. How can that be?

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just got a car and it is driven by bear. How can this be?

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You may be Russian, or Alaskan.

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[–] rezad@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

are you from the past?

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

and I owned nothing

Companies love that, until everybody is completely in debt and they learn you can't seize property from people that don't own anything.

[–] rezad@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I think you are too nice.
they are actively trying to own everything.
And then they don't need to seize anything, because you are forced to work to the bone (even more than you are right now) to just afford your own house rent/property tax.

Companies love to become like old Lord and counts and own the land/products and you just rent and work for them.

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[–] einkorn@feddit.org 43 points 1 week ago (5 children)

[...] and what owners can do next.

Sell their Porsche and buy a car that can't be locked remotely?

[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 33 points 1 week ago (7 children)

In 2025? Is that even a thing?

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There might be some old Ladas around.

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[–] RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can disable the modem on new Toyotas and they run fine. The dealership will bitch and moan but they can be disabled.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

You can also steal new toyotas in a matter of minutes because they absolutely fucked up the can bus security.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

One way to tell: disable the cellular modem in your car and see if it still operates.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This assumes there’s a user accessible option to disable it.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I assumed it's not a option, so I took the suggestion to mean "physically disable" the device. Modern cars have a number of integrated computers and they rarely serve individual purposes, but there's a good chance there's an external antenna near/in a window. Granted, I don't have any vehicles with cell service, so I could be wrong. I do own a drill though

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just wrap your car in tinfoil. Bonus is that it stops the government from reading you mind while inside.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Shill for big foil..thanks for the advice MR REYNOLDS.

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[–] shininghero@pawb.social 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

There's the upcoming Slate trucks, but those are scheduled for Q4 2026. And... also probably going to be US exclusive for a bit. Oof.

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

It's even worse than that. Porsches are locked by default, and can only be enabled remotely.

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[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I doubt most owners of recent-model luxury-brand cars in Russia are average joes for which this is their only transport. I therefore find my sympathy to be somewhat limited.

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like I got my car at the perfect time:

It has Android Auto and CarPlay, and it's a manual so there's no way for it to turn on or off remotely.

Now I just have to make sure it survives until I die.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

It's a voluntary anti-theft measure I believe. Prevents it from being started without the owner's consent. Which immobilizers are also supposed to do, but we all know how well those work.

If I owned a Porsche in Russia, I would also get something like that tbh. Luckily I don't live in Russia, nor do I have a Porsche anymore and mine was too old for this kinda shit anyway

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) — a security module designed to prevent theft but now shutting down cars unexpectedly.

Also, what a strangely written article.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Remember when they started this with games? It would phone home every time you started it up and make sure your license was valid.

And then companies stopped supporting the game or went out of business. And all of a sudden no one could play those games anymore.

Now they're doing it with cars. How long until that expensive car you bought is no longer supported and you have to upgrade to the new model?

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago

Maybe Russia started jamming satellite signals and did this to themselves.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

Not only due (or probably not even because of) Satellite system failure.

In order to fight drones flying over the border from Ukraine, Russia implemented new restrictions to cellular connections. From like last 2 weeks they made so that when a sim card that enters russian border, it will be denied cellular connection for 24 hours. This also include russian sim cards that have been not connected to russian cellular network for over 72 hours.

Almost every modern car today has a sim that communicates with servers all the time. It is just that Porsche also has this feature that can track car remotely and immobilize on demand. It utilizes this type of sim card. Porsche itself has nothing to do with why they are bricked. It is a byproduct of russian attempts at preventing drone attacks which backfires spectacularly.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

And this is why I will never own a vehicle manufactured after 2006.

I have just too little control with newer vehicles, be it having to auth with the mothership with every repair I do at home just to get it to start up, or even failing to start up in the first place when the mothership could not be contacted.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 7 points 1 week ago

Good thing this is a completely optional "feature" that I'd never pay for

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago

I wish people (especially journalists) would get it through their skulls already:

  • Vehicles don't communicate with satellites.
  • GNSS (like GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, or BeiDou) do not use two way communication.
  • The satellite can therefore not know the position of a GNSS receiver.
  • Instead the satellites send timestamps and their positions, the receiver uses that information to calculate its own position. If the system with the receiver needs to report its position to someone they typically use some form of terrestrial communication, like mobile phone networks.

With that knowledge the comment by /u/imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com makes a lot more sense than whatever the article is trying to imply about satellite failures.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Why not do cars need internet access in order to start?

I understand having auxiliary services the network connected but surely the failure mode should just be an error on the screen but otherwise the car should still function. It's not like operating without internet access is dangerous or anything.

Also, why don't we just do that, cut Russias internet access, it seems like it would cause of chaos.

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[–] Magister@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well, it's because Russia is jamming GPS signal, it affects planes, cars, everything relying on GPS.

[–] RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

That's a huge leap to assume GPS blocking was also blanketing other 2 way satellite communication frequencies.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

None of these things need GPS to function. Even planes. A compass, a map and a clock go a long way.

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[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

"smart" cars

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