The no argument was basically:
FEAR CHANGE! IF THINGS CHANGE THEY WONT BE LIKE THEY WERE AND YOU SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THAT! BOO!
this post was submitted on 12 Sep 2023
1 points (100.0% liked)
Australian Politics
1484 readers
68 users here now
A place to discuss Australia Politics.
Rules
This community is run under the rules of aussie.zone.
Recommended and Related Communities
Be sure to check out and subscribe to our related communities on aussie.zone:
- Australia (general)
- Australian News
- World News (from an Australian Perspective)
- Aussie Environment
- Ask an Australian
- AusFinance
- Pictures
- AusLegal
- Aussie Frugal Living
- Cars (Australia)
- Coffee
- Chat
- Aussie Zone Meta
- bapcsalesaustralia
- Food Australia
Plus other communities for sport and major cities.
https://aussie.zone/communities
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
There are two "no" camps:
- This constitutional change is too much. We don't want a body we didn't elect having a voice to parliament.
- This constitutional change doesn't do nearly enough. We don't want a toothless voice that can't really affect anything. We want a full treaty.
The first camp I can't find common ground with. Every Billionaire in the country is an unelected individual who has a pretty big voice to parliament with their political donations and nobody bats an eye. But how dare we give a voice to the most powerless people in the country!
The second camp, I see their point. They're worried that this will be an end to discussion regarding indigenous issues. They don't think the voice is enough. They're right - if you read the Uluru Statement from the heart, you'll see that the voice is the first step towards a treaty. I personally don't think this topic will come up again for a generation if the no vote wins, so I can't really agree with them at all.
The Voice is one pathway to treaty.
I accept that there are people who genuinely believe in the ‘progressive no’ vote but I still think if you want a treaty and indigenous sovereignty recognised the Voice is a great opportunity for that.
Haha Brexit
Genuinely took a few confused minutes of reading the other comments to realise this isn't about Brexit
If we don't get the Voice through this referendum I doubt it would ever get through at least for a few decades in a second one. It's either enshrine A Voice this time or nothing. Referendums are hard.
more chance for the conservative cuntolition to show how gross they are before they become irrelevant
Yeah unfortunately that shit works. Maybe not on you, but it does work. It's kinda like spam. It's intentionally bad so the victims self-select.
Id love to float a hypothetical here.
Say the referendum fails. One of the big 'No' arguments, if you can call it that, is "wHY nEeD rEFeReNDuMB jUSt LegISLatE"
What if albo just legislates the body in.
Reckon they will be consistent and say 'see thats all you need!", or will heads melt.
Because we know, it has nothing to do with that at all
What if albo just legislates the body in.
It will be repealed next time the LNP get in, just like everything else.
i agree. i would LOVE to hear what the people advocating for legislation only as their argument for a NO vote would say, because I have a little feeling they actually dont want that, they just want NO because they are either misinformed, rascist or voting purely along party lines, which is bizarre for a referendum