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A BBC investigation reveals that Microsoft is permanently banning Palestinians in the U.S. and other countries who use Skype to call relatives in Gaza.

Reportedly, Microsoft has been banning and wiping the accounts of users who have leveraged Skype to contact relatives in Gaza. In some cases, email accounts over a decade old have been locked, destroying access to banking accounts, OneDrive storage, and beyond.

United States resident Salah Elsadi lost his account of over 15 years in the dragnet. "I've had this Hotmail for 15 years. They banned me for no reason, saying I have violated their terms — what terms? Tell me. I've filled out about 50 forms and called them many many times." Eiad Hametto from Saudi Arabia echoed the report, "We are civilians with no political background who just wanted to check on our families. They’ve suspended my email account that I’ve had for nearly 20 years. It was connected to all my work. They killed my life online."

Many of the users affected by the bans expressed that Microsoft may be falsely labelling them as Hamas

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Remember: today it's "just" the Palestinians and you may not be affected or care. But tomorrow, it could be you.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep. If you ever shared a political opinion, that could put you on someone's naughty list. If that someone gets a position of power and decides they want to attack, well, you could be the next metaphorical Palestinian.

[–] Deebster@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Voting on Lemmy isn't private (and is probably for sale on closed platforms) so just upvoting an opinion might be enough to get you on some lists.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Downvoted your comment just to be safe

Man, messed up innit. & how could it be made private without enabling a whole different set of bad actors (astroturfers, marketers, political axe grinders)

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller
[–] maxenmajs@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I don't understand why it's so mainstream to equate Palestine with Hamas. It's as if there is an actual conspiracy going on to to support this genocide. Is it because it's so easy to say you're antiemetic if you oppose "the Jews"?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don’t understand why it’s so mainstream to equate Palestine with Hamas

Decades of Islamophobic propaganda combined with a strong American economic interest in Israel might have played a role.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It's completely normalized racism. America has been institutionalizing Islamophobia for years to justify their invasions of the Middle East where we kill millions of ~~innocent civilians~~ "terorrists"

Before the 2000's a lot of that manufactured hate was directed towards Asians because we needed to justify war crimes in Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Laos etc.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2007/07/gary-hart-lynne-cheney-and-war-with-china/7644/

Early in 2001, the commission presented a report to the incoming G.W. Bush administration warning that terrorism would be the nation's greatest national security problem, and saying that unless the United States took proper protective measures a terrorist attack was likely within its borders. Neither the president nor the vice president nor any other senior official from the new administration took time to meet with the commission members or hear about their findings.

The commission had 14 members, split 7-7, Republican and Democrat, as is de rigeur for bodies of this type. Today Hart told me that in the first few meetings, commission members would go around the room and volunteer their ideas about the nation's greatest vulnerabilities, most urgent needs, and so on.

At the first meeting, one Republican woman on the commission said that the overwhelming threat was from China. Sooner or later the U.S. would end up in a military showdown with the Chinese Communists. There was no avoiding it, and we would only make ourselves weaker by waiting. No one else spoke up in support.

The same thing happened at the second meeting -- discussion from other commissioners about terrorism, nuclear proliferation, anarchy of failed states, etc, and then this one woman warning about the looming Chinese menace. And the third meeting too. Perhaps more.

Finally, in frustration, this woman left the commission.

"Her name was Lynne Cheney," Hart said. "I am convinced that if it had not been for 9/11, we would be in a military showdown with China today." Not because of what China was doing, threatening, or intending, he made clear, but because of the assumptions the Administration brought with it when taking office. (My impression is that Chinese leaders know this too, which is why there are relatively few complaints from China about the Iraq war. They know that it got the U.S. off China's back!)

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't understand the overarching point of this comment.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Military Industrial Complex needs to be fed.

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[–] Snowflake@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Without America the Palestine people would have starved to death years ago. Their own Arabian brothers won't even help them. America doesn't need to institionalize islamaphobia when they do it themselves. You can look into any Islam media and you would find they actively burn u.s. flags on state media and call for our destruction. Nothing was needed to justify your made up war crimes in any of those countries because they all started the wars. Japan bombed pearl harbor. North Korea invaded South Korea. Vietnam Gulf of tonkin. Etc etc.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (17 children)

LO-fuckin-L at using Gulf of Tonkin, a well known false flag operation meant solely to draw the US into a protracted conflict we had no business being in. 🤡

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[–] BigLgame@lemy.lol 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lol fuck off with that hard angle, also the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag.

[–] ashar@infosec.pub 1 points 2 years ago

Haha that was funny. Mentioning the Gulf of Tonkin incident as justification for war and really meaning it

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The fun thing with Tonkin is it doesn't even need to be a false flag, it can credibly be explained by a bad radar return. I don't know which is is a worse basis to get 400,000 Americans Killed? (Including Agent Orange and Suicide numbers)

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 2 years ago

You can look into any Islam media and you would find they actively burn u.s. flags on state media and call for our destruction.

Well yes. Do you have any idea how much US neo-colonialism has harmed the Middle East over the past 70 years? Your country supports ISIS for fuck's sake go touch some grass.

Also why do you think their Muslim brothers won't help them? Surely not because most of the Arab world is run by American puppets.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Without America the Palestine people would have starved to death years ago. Their own Arabian brothers won’t even help them.

Iran won't help Palestine, but also Iran is the shadowy hand behind Hamas.

Egypt won't help Palestine, but the CIA/MI5 need to coup the elected government every decade or three when it gets to Muslim Brotherhood-y.

Lebanon won't help Palestine, but Israel says there are tunnels into Gaza from Lebanon so they need to start bombing again.

Turkyie won't help Palestine, but the IDF had to murder Turkish aid workers in 2010 to prevent their aid flotilla from reaching the shore.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You heard it here first folks, war crimes don't exist if they burn your flag!

[–] Snowflake@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Do you ignore the majority of Palestinians support Hamas? It's factual reality the majority of Palestinians democratically voted and elected Hamas which ran on a destroy Israel agenda. In reality they asked and started this war due to that election. It's not because it's so easy to say they are antisemitic it's because it is factually correct to say it.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Every sentence in your comment is another israeli propaganda lie. None of them are factually correct. Congrats on a new Hasbara record.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

They didn't actually support Hamas in 2023, until Israel bombed them into the stone age and supported shifted. Which is the same phenomenon we've seen in every war with a massive bombing campaign since 1936. They did vote democratically, and that vote was blocked by Israel and the US. The platform though was a moderate one in which they drew a line between Israel and people. They very much want to destroy the country but they believe they can live with the people as long as there's not an apartheid power structure. A line they still have in their doctrine today, a line people like you blithely ignore. Also that election was nearly 20 years ago. Are you admitting that Hamas and Israel were already at war? Usually the party line is there was peace and doves and olive trees until the barbarous Hamas blew it all up. And the people in Hamas are also semites. They are literally semites.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 2 years ago

Do you ignore the majority of Palestinians support Hamas?

Imagine supporting the only viable resistance organization when you're subjected to a slow-burn genocide. The humanity!

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[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is what I fear the most with these platforms. They have these shitty automated moderation systems that can just decide to delete everything you have there on a whim. Already common on places like youtube and facebook, but it just keeps getting worse. Every site is pushing users into signing in with their google/microsoft/whatever accounts.

Remember the guy who lost access to his smart home when amazon banned him for no reason?

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It isn't even on a whim. They get pressured to act on "anti semitism" and define that to mean anything that offends Zionists.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

This is the final nail in the coffin for me. My next PC is going to be a Linux machine.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

As if I needed another reason to hate Microsoft.

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[–] dan@upvote.au 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Friendly reminder to not use freemail accounts (Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo, etc) for anything important. It's very hard to get any sort of support as your account is seen as low-priority. Also, always use your own domain so that it's easy to move to a different provider in the future, without having to change your email address.

FastMail and MXRoute are good options. MXRoute has good Black Friday sales and all their plans include unlimited email address and domains (you're just limited by total disk space).

Microsoft's paid plan is decent too. $70/year for a personal account or $100/year for a family account (up to 6 people) and it includes the Office suite, 1TB cloud storage, and email.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Why would I give Microsoft money if they’re behaving like this?

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Damn, thats some google level behavior.

What the fuck, MIcrosoft.

[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, it's standard corp level behavior that's beholden to government censorship and propaganda when it doesn't fit the narrative. You can substitute any big tech company in the US for Google. They all do this. It's why the government is not a fan of TikTok, they don't have that same level of control over the flow of information.

[–] DeVaolleysAdVocate@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

that and it is quite literally spyware that sends all the consumer data to the CCP where they can adjust their own algorithms to show things that can sway the minds of people too young to think critically

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

it is quite literally spyware

So are Facebook and Instagram, which are apparently not a problem. Remember Cambridge Analytica?

where they can adjust their own algorithms to show things that can sway the minds of people too young to think critically

Every social media platform does this for maximum retention

to the CCP

What's the CCP gonna do with it that's worse than what Western companies do with it?

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