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cross-posted from : https://lemmy.world/post/40619557

Article translation to English:

It is "in the interest of the United States and Europe" that the European Union be dissolved". That is what Nile Gardiner, director of the European branch of the Heritage Foundation, says to Nieuwsuur. That conservative think tank is known as the main shaper of the policies of US President Donald Trump's second term.

The Trump administration supports "movements and political leaders in Europe" who are "pro-American and believe that Europe should take a different direction," Gardiner says. This concerns leaders of Italy, Poland and Hungary, who see the conservative thinker as "important allies."

In February, Vice President J.D. Already sharply criticized Europe. This summer , further indications came to light that the U.S. is out on a change of power.

According to the new U.S. security strategy, which was published this month, Europe is in danger of "losing its civilization through immigration and the disappearance of national identities." The document praises nationalist parties "who want to preserve the individual character and history of European countries" and supports patriotic parties in their struggle to dismantle the EU from within.

In response, European Commissioner for Human Rights called on Michael O'Flaherty to take courage against US criticism of the EU. European heads of government reacted remarkably little. German Chancellor Friedrich Merz was fierce and called the plan "unacceptable and unacceptable."

The chairman of the committee in the European Parliament that maintains contact with the US called the security strategy "a frontal attack on the EU." The words of the White House, according to him, amount to interference in European elections. 'Warning for Europe'

From right-wing parties, there is also a positive reaction to the American policy paper. Member of the European Parliament Mieke Andriese (PVV) calls it a "clear strategic warning for Europe" this week. "Mass immigration threatens our European identity."

Member of the European Parliament Sander Smit (BBB), a member of a committee for strengthening European democracy, can also agree with parts of the American criticism. "BBB does not support the abolition of the EU, but believes that the EU urgently needs internal reforms because of a democratic deficit, diminishing legitimacy and too much bureaucracy," he tells Nieuwsuur. Read his entire response here.

Nile Gardiner is now going a step further with his plea for the abolition of the EU. "I don't see any future scenario where Europe is better off with the survival of the European Union than without."

There are "deep-rooted concerns in the US capital Washington about what is seen as the suppression of freedom of expression within the European Union," says Gardiner. The EU would have too much power over the member states.

The conservative thinker points, among other things, to the fines that the European Commission handed out to the social medium X, owned by tech billionaire and ex-Trump adviser Elon Musk. The fines totalled 120 million euros and were imposed for violations of an internet law. With these types of "attacks on U.S. tech companies," the EU would undermine US security.

Moreover, the Union would not listen to the voice of the people and restrict the power of right-wing radical parties such as the AfD. And the EU would open the gates for mass migration. Gardiner fears the increasing influence of Islam. "All this makes the EU doomed." 'Europe reacts too weakly'

According to the leading Irish researcher Judy Dempsey (Carnegie Institute), the European Union is responding too weakly and too slowly to the Trump administration's lashing out. "The Europeans don't look at themselves, but just say: don't you dare criticize our democracy."

Dempsey, who is researching international relations, argues that the EU does not use its large internal market sufficiently as a geopolitical instrument. "The EU is not confident and knows how to sell itself poorly."

Trump is responding to this by politically influencing and dividing Europe, the researcher says. "The idea that a divided EU would be in US favour is at odds with the transatlantic view that has been in place since 1945."

"The weakness of Europeans is that they do not confront far-right populist parties, whether in France, the Netherlands, Germany or Italy."

According to Gardiner, the plan to turn the EU into a defense force clashes with US interests. "This undermines the NATO alliance, while it pulls military resources away," he says. "NATO will hopefully exist for centuries to come, but the EU will eventually disappear."

The U.S. under Trump supports right-wing nationalist parties in Europe that "insist on more sovereignty and self-determination," Gardiner says. He mentions, among others, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, Polish President Karol Nawrocki and the party president of France's Rassemblement National, Jordan Bardella. Gardiner emphasizes that it is about political support; there would be no question of financial aid. Discussion within the Heritage Foundation

The Heritage Foundation is an independent right-wing conservative think tank in Washington. They developed 'Project 2025', policy proposals that the government is now implementing. Nile Gardiner is the director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom, the European branch of The Heritage Foundation.

The extreme course that the Heritage Foundation has been pursuing since this year leads to ideological discussions within the institute: in recent weeks, some fifteen employees left the institute. Disagreements included stopping support for Ukraine and the controversial tariff policy that President Trump is pursuing. Heritage director Kevin Roberts also initially refused to condemn statements by the far-right, anti-Semitic influencer Nick Fuentes.


Discussions on Reddit about the Heritage Foundation with one saying that the think tank was founded by former Nazis or at least has remote connections to Nazis.

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[–] Amberskin@europe.pub 7 points 1 day ago

Time to put every member of that Nazi club in a travel ban list.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

The heritage foundation is a terrorist organization

Change my mind

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 12 points 1 day ago

There is turmoil over there.

Dec 22 (Reuters) - Over a dozen employees have left jobs at the Heritage Foundation or were fired in recent days, according to the influential right-wing U.S. thinktank, as it grapples with allegations from former supporters that it has aligned itself with those accused of antisemitism.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-heritage-foundation-thinktank-staff-quit-amid-antisemitism-controversy-2025-12-22/

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Please stop calling american right wing extremists "conservatives". European/real conservatives are a moderate and pro-democracy ideology and even though I disagree with their view points, they deserve better than to be bunched in with neo-Nazi extremists.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Your comment is not true for neither France nor Germany, the two biggest countries in the EU. At some point we'll need to accept that "conservative" really just means racist

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Oh dear. At least where I'm from, the conservatives are still moderates. Why do so many conservatives become extremists?

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 1 points 1 day ago

@Miaou @ZkhqrD5o not the UK either. The Conservative party is nuts at the moment - and most right wingers are currently more in favour of Reform (aka Nigel Farage Ltd) who are even worse.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They said that about Orban and Putin too.

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Orban and Putin are extremists, as they seek to destroy democracy. I never understood how people fail to recognise this. An "opinion" that wants to destroy democracy itself is not an opinion, it's a danger. And that's the reason why extremists must be excluded from the democratic process because you can't have an "opinion" that wants to destroy all other opinions and place itself on top in a democratic system. Democracy only works if all parties agree on democracy.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Europe should call for end of Heritage Foundation imo. There's also perfectly valid reasons in this case.

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

The Heritage Foundation is a neo-Nazi terrorist organisation and it needs to be dismantled.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

How do you say "Heritage Foundation" in Russian?

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 37 points 2 days ago (6 children)

We should then ban the Heritage Foundation in Europe.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

I agree. It's time to label it a terrorist organization.

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[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 65 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A vote for EU right wing parties in the coming elections is a vote for Putin.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

considering putin is the one funding and propagandizing for those parties.

[–] sidebro@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

Trump as well, which is important to remember

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They could call for their lord satan to spring forth from the pit and have just as much chance.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The billionaires are moving, they've picked their issues. Saying they don't stand a chance is how wars are lost to complacency, and the EU has plenty of Quislings to go around.

You know, again.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To what degree do the GOP understand that they have caused potential problems for the US for a couple of generations?

The EU shunning America will not end with Trump's passing. The US has demonstrated that it doesn't value either trust nor consistency.

[–] pix_wbmr@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The US values one thing only: Money

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

You can't make money from Europe if Europe has locked you out. It has already started...

[–] 0tan0d@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Some of these rich fucks also enjoy vacation to Europe. At a minimum Europe should get gradpa banned from family gatherings for his rich boy hobby ruining travel plans.

[–] Businesskasper@feddit.org 33 points 2 days ago

Can we please stop calling them friends? The US Government is working against us.

[–] Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So the US is now an official enemy of the EU. Muricans are so fucking stupid...

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

The American government threatened our neighbors to the north (Canada and Greenland), as well as our neighbors to the south. We are literally attacking Venezuela right now.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

To Europe from an American: I'm so sorry our American trash president and policy is showing up on your shores.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean...the reason Europe is weathering this better (for now) is because we have 28 different independenty timed governments with different cultures, multiple parties (and coalitions) and media spheres for 500 million people (and we're slightly better at recognizing and organizing against fascism because of what it has already done to us).

Y'all have one race between two parties, one of which is heavily compromised, for 330 million people in a single winner-takes-all race for an emperor-like post. It is like the system was designed to fail.

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 12 points 3 days ago

Also, it is only in our selfish overlords' best interest for you to divide yourself into smaller groups to pick over.

[–] kubofhromoslav@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks ❀️ I hope your next presidents will be on the level needed for the position. Currently USA is bleeding trust super fast. And trust is build slowly. It will take time. I hope we both (EU and USA) will be friends again in future. But, unfortunately for USA in short-term, Europe in the meantime will build a new world that will be more USA-independent and more global by nature. I believe that also USA will profit from it in long run, as it will be more sustainable and just, but the short term loses will be high for USA. In a sense, we can argue, that Trump is like an asteroid for dinosaurs - makes extinction of old dominant species that no more serve the ecological purpose but still occupies the niche and such prevents the new species, more adapted to the environment, to take its place. In that sense, humankind can be eternally grateful for Trump, although the process is super messy... Also, I would rather prefer humankind to reach it's upper limits of current organisation by natural growth, not by such conflict... But humankind will emerge reorganized and stronger πŸ’ͺ

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck the usa , no matter who is in charge of it. It's time for Europe to decouple completely for the usa and it's bad influence

[–] kubofhromoslav@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, now we have to work on independence. But with more reasonable USA president, we can go for interdependence. Good for both sides and hopefully for whole world.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My fear is that european leaders will just go back to pre Trump relation once Trump is done for

[–] kubofhromoslav@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yes. That is a real treat...

[–] Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

i'll leave it at that

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Putin’s useless idiots.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago

I think this attitude is counter-productive. The US billionaires haven't handed their country to Putin. The idea has originated in the US.

[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Nile Gardiner can fuck off

[–] plyth@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

β€œThe idea that a divided EU would be in US favour is at odds with the transatlantic view that has been in place since 1945.”

He hasn't paid attention:

But in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard

A strong China doesn't make the dissolution of the EU necessary but an EU that is stronger than the US can not be in US interests.

[–] BodyPower@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The US and EU was close allies until the current US administration. A stronger EU would only have been in the financial sector and even that would not have been certain at all. What the US should have been concerned about is a strong China and should anything embolden China to take agressive action against the US, the US would have been able to rely on its many allies. But that is no longer a given.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What if the US is not stupid and everything is a plot to increase arms in Europe for a war against China?

[–] BodyPower@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How does threatening to take land from allies and making tariffs on allies fit into this plot?

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Allies using the dollar to store value makes American products incompetitive. That was accepted by taking the money for federal bonds as gifts which allowed the American luxeries. But it doesn't work in a multipolar world.

Tariffs are the alternative. Regulate trade until it is balanced.

The threatening is something else. I consider it Flood the Zone. The West prepares for a war against China and the nations need reasons to buy equipment. Less questions if there is no US protection or even a threat.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not even stronger, per se, just strong enough. What the overeager cold warriors in the EU miss is that Russia isn't big enough to be the new Soviet Union... but the EU is.

[–] BodyPower@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There were no (or only very few) cold warriors in the EU. If anything there are only more now that the US have turned its back on its allies. The EU is arming up, because of the wavering US foreign policy. EUs current defense spending goal is 5% of GDP.

The EU in its current form is no new Soviet Union at all. Not in any way. Even if we act as a single nation (very unlikely) we wouldn't be as strong as the soviet union was. Saying that the EU could be the new Soviet Union, is showing how uninformed that person is.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

There were no (or only very few) cold warriors in the EU

Glances at the Baltics...

The point is, the "new cold war" crowd is imagining it invariably between "the west" and "the east", with them being inherently "the west"(it's why they instantly fell back on the old 'asiatic hordes' language). In actuality, the only reason the original cold war was between the Yanks and the SU was that Europe kneecapped itself twice in a row, and the vacuum left was filled by "the west" (US) and "the east" (USSR), and Europe split between them.

Before the Wars, you had, for example, the absolutist, profoundly religious Russian Empire ally with the secular French Republic against the Germans, because for all their differences neither could allow Germany to dominate the other, because they would be next. Meanwhile, you had the Austrians join their direct rival Germany and their ancient enemy Ottomans in an effort to contain Russia, for the same reason. Consequently, if you, now, have a severely weakened Russia, and a united Europe that is now rebuilding it's military and attempting to break away from US dominance, it wouldn't be that much of a surprise for the US to try and bolster Russia to counter a resurgent Europe - much to the disappointment of NAFO mouthbreathers.

Incidentally, now that I think about it, it's kind of a part of how WW1 started, IIRC: Kaiser Willy started a massive naval buildup, in his mind, against Japan, and was completely shocked when King Eddie took it entirely the wrong way...

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