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As Torvalds pointed out in 2019, is that while some major hardware vendors do sell Linux PCs – Dell, for example, with Ubuntu – none of them make it easy. There are also great specialist Linux PC vendors, such as System76, Germany's TUXEDO Computers, and the UK-based Star Labs, but they tend to market to people who are already into Linux, not disgruntled Windows users. No, one big reason why Linux hasn't taken off is that there are no major PC OEMs strongly backing it. To Torvalds, Chromebooks "are the path toward the desktop."

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[–] CommanderShepard@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Like mentioned in the article, another issue is that there are very few offerings of computers with Linux preinstalled in normal computer stores.

You know how a normal average persons buys new laptops? They go to such store and look at the prices and buy one according to how much they want to spend. The advanced buyers might consult their more tech-savvy acquaintances. Stuff like "Just install Linux", is beyond concept comprehension for a lot of people, even if they heard about Linux at all.

All to say is that it's not like they can't understand these concepts if you explain them (people are clever), but they should care about them in the first place.

Edit: typo

[–] arararagi@ani.social 2 points 23 hours ago

Ironically, the laptops that do come with Linux are always the shittiest stuff like that Lenovo distro.

[–] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed. We are in an age where tech is spoonfed to people with slick UIs and automated installs. Linux needs that--some kind of easy onramp to get people comfortable and familiar with it--in order to have a chance of getting broad acceptance. It's not particularly accessible even for people with a small amount of tech knowledge and skill.

I tried to set up mint on an old laptop recently and immediately hit a roadblock before I could even get an install going. I did some research and found some options to troubleshoot it but gave up because the guidance I found online was a bit more complex than I felt comfortable acting on.

I really want to try out Linux, but if someone like me (with some technology knowledge and comfort) still gets this easily tripped up on installing it, I can't imagine the average person taking the leap successfully.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Lemme guess, Secure Boot prevented installation?

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[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

heard lenovo has an option for linux on certain thinkpads, im not sure where the lemmy post i saw it in tho, but i know it exists.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 128 points 1 day ago (3 children)

He's right. If vendors offered Linux based machines people would try. Valve is helping Linux adoption more than all the big names like Dell, Lenovo, HP... combined.

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[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 68 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Linux don’t need anything to challenge Windows. Windows is doing great on their own.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

For gaming and home use I think Windows will slowly die off. But I see precious few enterprise customers who are willing to consider Linux desktops for anyone other than sysadmins or programmers. Some will allow Macs for general users but I've never seen one that allows Linux.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Enterprise is where windows has deep claws embedded.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Hard to enforce a GPO on Linux, unless it’s locked down like ChromeOS.

That’s really the limiting factor: liability and support costs.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

I'd try and get my work to switch, but apparently Zebra thermal printers (of which we have so many) don't work well with CUPS, you may be able to do some weird shit to make them work but iirc it wasn't too viable for a large scale operation.

I'd wager a lot of companies do use things that just don't work too well on linux yet, not that they couldn't work it's just that none of the people smarter than me who make linux happen have worked on it yet, and until they do it's just what it is. Before we want to capture the enterprise market we need good easy to use thermal printing software, CNC software, laser etching software, stuff like that. It can be done too for at least most things I'm sure.

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[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 74 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I do a lot of work setting up computers and laptops for people, mostly getting software they need installed and setting up ad blocking so I don't need to come back later on and clean up a million viruses.

Lately, I've been offering a discount to people that allow me to get rid of windows entirely and install Linux, with the option to reinstall Windows for free later. I've had several people take me up on the offer, especially once I explain what Recall is to them. Only 1 has had me switch it back, and they needed to use some super niche piece of software that I just absolutely could not get running with wine no matter what I installed, and I suspect that it has something built in to make it not run on non-windows systems.

Basically, just explaining Microsoft's security nightmare in a way that your average person can understand (and I mean a real average person, not the average person as people on Linux forums see them) has gotten over 2 dozen clients to switch over to Linux with minimal issues.

Also windows borking like 5 peoples SSDs certainly helped!

[–] JayGray91@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Do you mind sharing your "script" or bullet points how you tell people about the Recall thing?

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[–] voytrekk@sopuli.xyz 89 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Choice is both one of Linux's greatest strengths and weaknesses. There are so many distros that offer something great an unique, but that also leads to choice paralysis as well as fragmentation. I think Bazzite has been great for the Linux gaming space because it does offer a single user experience that reduces the knowledge barrier for those just getting into Linux.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (5 children)

"Everyone wants to save the world, but no one can agree on how..."

The linux problem in a nutshell

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yep, choice is nice, but everyone and their uncle rolling out distros is excessive as all fuck. Especially when there is precious little that isnt ultimately, deep down, just another flavor of Debian, Arch or Fedora.

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[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

I think there is a strategy in what you are pointing out.

For the general public, its not that we should advocate for the use of software, but for the use of a package of hardware+software.

People dont say they want iOS or MacOS or even Windows. They say they want an iPad, Macbook or ASUS Strix Laptop. The software is not a primary consideration for them.

The Steam Deck is the prime example. Its about making the package attractive.

If we can do things like have Bazzite make a deal with Steam for "Steam Machine" accreditation, that can be packaged and marketed to be sold by the hardware vendors. Probably starting with the gaming system integrators.

We need a similar brand and package for general purpose users, but I dont know what the set of hooks would be to make it marketable. Maybe its right to repair, maybe 10 years of software support. Maybe a 10 year warranty. Something the community still needs to figure out. Linux Mint is probably one of the most suitable for this package.

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[–] rossman@lemmy.zip 0 points 16 hours ago

I feel with chatgpt it's getting close to near self troubleshooting levels. But I feel once the end of life thing starts then more folks will convert.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (6 children)
[–] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Pretty sure at least half of Adobe’s users are on macOS.

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[–] huggingstars@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (23 children)

The fundamental issue is that the desktops themselves are inferior products. Linux desktop developers spent years arguing which bad solution is better for a solved problem.

The gap is closer now but that's only because Windows is killing itself.

[–] Darkenfolk@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

So, what is the solved problem supposed to be? The link doesn't really tell me anything except that it about a customisable titlebar or something.

[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

That's a weird thing to present as an absolute truth. As someone who has exstensively used both Windows (3.1, 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10 and 11) and macOS (from 2011-2022), and now using KDE Plasma on my daily driver laptop, GNOME at work and Cinnamon for my living room machine: all three Linux DE are superior experiences.

Surely there are people who would prefer Windows and macOS over them, but it is highly subjective.

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