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UK's Secret Intelligence Service MI6 is right to warn about Russia’s campaign of petty sabotage against the West. The goal is to disrupt and distract.

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Three Bulgarians [painting] red hands on Paris’s Holocaust Memorial ... An arson attack on an Ikea store in Vilnius, vandalising phone towers in Sweden and hacking the Czech railway operator, all in the past 12 months. Moscow has unleashed its intelligence agencies to carry out what seem petty incidents of sabotage. The International Institute for Strategic Studies has recorded at least 67 such incidents since 2022 in countries all over Europe thought to be linked to Russia.

Although attribution is often difficult, and some incidents will have nothing to do with Russia, it is clear that Putin’s regime is conducting a campaign of disruption and destruction in Europe. [UK's Spy chief Blaise] Metreweli called this “export of chaos” ... to divide, distract and dismay the West.

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There has been something of a shift in Russia’s campaign in recent years. In the past, the focus was on disinformation and amplifying disruptive political messages. Unlike the USSR, Putin’s Russia is essentially post-ideological. It can thus be all things to all people, and promote every useful message — from hard-right migrant alarmism to hard-left anticapitalism; regional secessionism to blood and soil nationalism; Black Lives Matter to the National Rifle Association.

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Sometimes, there are clear practical benefits for Moscow, such as the placing of cameras along Polish railway lines on which aid to Ukraine flows. (The cameras were discovered by railway staff and six people were arrested in 2023.) In other cases, operations are still about heightening division in society: the red-hand graffiti in Paris, for example, was used by Russian disinformation outlets to paint France as a haven for antisemitism.

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Moscow’s goal now seems to be to start to make people feel that their country’s support for Ukraine affects them directly. A [UK intel] GCHQ analyst, for example, told me of apparent efforts to temporarily degrade internet bandwidth, noting that “it may sound trivial, but think of the annoyance if you can’t do your online banking, or the film you wanted to download takes hours buffering”.

No one will go to war because their train is delayed or their phone signal wobbly — but they might begin to think twice about supporting another country’s war if the toll of inconveniences begins to mount. It also contributes to another Kremlin (and, indeed, Chinese) talking point, that degenerate western democracies simply don’t work.

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One of the reasons it is so difficult to resist and prepare for these attacks is their very variety. In May 2024, a German arms factory was gutted in a blaze the authorities blamed on Russian agents. In July 2024, improvised explosives hidden inside electric massagers detonated in DHL logistics hubs in Germany, Poland and the UK. The next month, mysterious break-ins on military bases in Germany prompted fears that water supplies had been tainted.

On Christmas Day last year, an ageing tanker leaving a Russian port seems to have dragged its anchors across the Estlink 2 underwater power cable between Estonia and Finland, cutting it. Last month Polish railway lines were cut by a bomb, and in recent weeks, what were described as “military-style drones” shadowed President Zelensky’s jet as he flew to Dublin.

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This also highlights another virtue of this new strategy for the Kremlin: it encourages and mobilises our own paranoia. Many of the alleged “Russian drones” which shut down airports across Europe in the autumn turned out either to be nothing to do with Russia — or not even to be drones at all. Once people were on their guard, though, they began seeing drones everywhere, and risk-averse airport operators duly shut down flights as soon as a report came in .... A Polish diplomat put it starkly: “The Kremlin has learned that it cannot get Europe to like it, so it hopes to force concessions on us by making us fear it.”

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One striking characteristic of the attacks to date has been that they tend to come in waves, followed by periods of relative calm, with little real connection to the military or political situation. The concern in some intelligence circles is that this is still a campaign at its “beta testing” phase — that after each spate of attacks, the Russians regroup and consider the lessons.

“It’s when they think they know what works best,” one British security official speculated, “that we might see them ready for a serious, sustained challenge.”

Nor is it a challenge likely to end if and when there is peace in Ukraine. With the White House now seen as a potential partner, Russian propaganda has pivoted to seeing Europe as its main enemy given its continued support for Kyiv. We may well have to cope with such attacks as long as Putin is in the Kremlin.

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In many ways, the best, if less exciting response is to go back to how Europe coped with political terrorism in the 1970s and 1980s: foiling as many plots as possible, but accepting that some would inevitably succeed. The answer was — and is — not to let that panic us or force a change in policy: to keep calm and carry on.

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago

The answer was — and is — not to let that panic us or force a change in policy: to keep calm and carry on.

When you're dealing with a bully, there are times when you have no good alternative than to just punch them back. We have intelligence services and cyberwarfare departments too, if I'm not mistaken.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 23 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Reminder The Times is owned by Murdoch and has gone to shit compared to when it became regarded as a "paper of record"

Everything you read from them should be double checked elsewhere

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 13 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Everything you read - irrespective of the source - should be double checked elsewhere.

How would you check this specific content if I may ask?

[–] doben@lemmy.wtf 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

First step, ignore posts from Hotzplotzn, randomname or Sepia accounts, as they are specifically created and active to paddle Western propaganda against their current antagonists, China and Russia. The accounts exist to manufacture consent, avoid.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Oh definitely, always double check, especially if you're hearing something new or unexpected

I was more coming from a position of this being something to be particularly cautious around. It's an option piece from an outlet whose owner has a well known financial interest in keeping people scared and angry. It's usually of benefit to avoid the article entirely; I probably should have just been more blunt tbf

For this I'm fortunate enough to have a ground news subscription, so I went on there and searched MI6 to find the relevant story, then found it on BBC & Reuters

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks. Good that we check. Putin's Russia has been in a 'shadow war' against Europe comprising hundreds of disinformation campaigns, arsons, attacks on digital and physical infrastructure, and more. There are indeed many good sources that have verified that. So I agree with you that the article's content is highly accurate.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Not sure where you got highly accurate from, I thought I made the opposite point pretty black & white. Any accuracy in their article is frankly coincidence and not imperative.

I skimmed the text you gave and then decided to go and read the quotes from the source in news articles. Everything else in the article is opinion I'm not (nor should anyone else) be interested in.

For clarity, I'm not disagreeing that Russia is doing stuff, that's straight from MI6. I'm exclusively talking about the particular dubiousness of any words from the opinion section of this paper, regardless if the origin of the story is verifiable.

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, they also list several sabotage activities that can clearly be traced back to Russia.

Also, just in the week before the holidays, AP published an article about Russia and its attempts to drain Europe's investigative resources with its sabotage campaign, citing 145 incidents in its own database.

Another article citing a report that links 110 sabotage attacks in Europe to Russia was published in October this year.

In August, IISS paper assesses Russia’s unconventional war on Europe, focusing on sabotage of critical infrastructure, from military sites and energy grids to communications and undersea cables.

In May, ACLED's report on Russian activity aiming to challenge Europe’s support for Ukraine is another one.

So even if not all incidents can be clearly traced back to Russia (or China), those that can are in the hundreds meanwhile. There is ample evidence.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Again, for complete clarity:

I'm not talking about Russia, we all know they're warmongering shitheads

I'm talking about The Times, who some people might not realise are also in the business of stirring up conflict for their own purposes

Given that, you can start linking reasons to trust the option section of their paper if you like and that would be on topic

Edit: moderated language to avoid muddying my point

[–] Palerider@feddit.uk 3 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, I read the Times for years and it absolutely went to shit when that prick took over.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 7 points 13 hours ago
[–] NachBarcelona@piefed.social 14 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Why is that country so extremely shitty?

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 10 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

In short, the Mongol Empire fucked that part of the world up so deeply and utterly, we're still feeling it.

The thing is, it's getting better IMO, despite what a lot of people claim. The USSR was a less shitty version of the Russian Empire, and the Russian Federation is a gimped and ineffective version of the USSR.

I wonder what the next iteration will be.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I thought the mongol empire was relatively chill to live under, as long as you didn’t resist them.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean imagine if aliens arrived tomorrow, and they credibly said that they would:

  • Conquer the United States of America
  • Change all the people in government and the political elite but not the system of government
  • Improve society somewhat but be relatively chill, more chill in fact than the current people

Do you think the average US person would get a say in whether they choose a war in which half the population dies or a peaceful takeover in which the common people might be better off?

(I chose the US because it has a system of government similar to ours but a political elite living in the 1500s)

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

My point was that the shitty part would have happened once way at the beginning, so I wouldn’t expect the people living in what was formerly the US seven hundred years after the alien takeover to still be hugely affected by it. At least not more than their neighbors.

To be clear, I’m not faulting the Russian people if they are, just surprised.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 3 points 13 hours ago

IIRC, this is true, but many resisted. Many.

[–] NachBarcelona@piefed.social 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It might get better on the overall curve or graph 📈 you know, but it's on a pretty low point at the moment. Kinda like western Germany between the Weimar Republic and today's BRD.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, I think you might be right, except the Third Reich was kind of a global threat and this is more of a regional thing, on the same scale as Iran.

I'd be going "the purges under Stalin were worse", but the current Russian casualty rates coming from Ukraine are depressing AF. I mean Afghanistan must have been the biggest similar endeavour by the USSR, and the casualty counts were an order of magnitude smaller (but apparently they hospitalised half a million people from diseases like typhoid fever and hepatitis?)

I am not a good judge, but at least the USSR was at the forefront of a lot of scientific progress and overall brought a lot of progress to Russia, if you know, you look past the genocides and the purges.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 3 points 14 hours ago

My Wi-Fi was a bit flaky the other day. Damn those Russia spies!

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

I have an idea: what if we try appeasement, but this time we appease harder? I'll ask De Weaver for some ideas!