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Socialists start from the view that all people are equal, regard national and individualistic chauvinism as contrary to our deep moral obligations, stress how we have more in common as finite, vulnerable human beings than what separates us, and want to use reason and science to build a better society for all. Fascists believe that people are fundamentally unequal from birth and become more so over time, insist that “higher” nations and races have special rights to preserve and strengthen themselves even at the expense of the weak, regard this as a reflection of the inner greatness that distinguishes them from lower forms of life, and reject humanism and rationalism in favor of a struggle for supremacy and domination. Their worldview thus licenses enormous violence against socialists and other “low” enemies.

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[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 4 points 17 hours ago

Generally they come for the vagrants and otger undesireables first, and anyway, it's Communists that they came for, the SPD lasted a while, and then the USA let them remain in the west becacse they're not actually a threat

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Because they can count on having the help of centrists.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because socialism offers an alternative channel for the frustrations of which inevitably arrives from the inequalities capitalism creates.

Socialism competes for the same energies which fascism looks to channel into its own movements.

Fascism takes the disenfranchised and gives them an easy to digest narrative which addresses their grievances. Its the other. Its the immigrant, the homosexual, the minority religion; they're why you are suffering. The issue is that fascism as a movement is entirely cynical. Its the conception of that energy with no intent to actually address the issues which create the conditions to begin with.

Socialism is competing for the same minds, and this is something hard to hear, but every mind that is now a fascist is a mind that could have become a socialist if we had gotten to them first. Socialism is also trying to give the disenfranchised a way to understand and then do something about their suffering. But it also doesn't give easy answers. It makes the point that we need to fundamentally restructure society and how we distribute wealth. Its harder to understand. But generally, unless you go off the tankie deep-end, it doesn't suffer from the same cynicism.

The problem, that we as socialists have (where ever you end up on the spectrum), is that we're forced to caucus with liberals who are fundamentally in opposition to the principal of restructuring of society. Fundamental to liberalism is the idea that "the system works"; look at Harris and Bidens' 2024 campaign. Its central premise was that "nothing would fundamentally change". Media and commenters here were continuously gaslighting people about their lived experience, trying to tell them they weren't suffering because "economic indicators" (like the stock market) were doing fine. Liberals effectively argue that your grievances aren't valid.

And voters didn't buy that shit, because they don't need economic indicators to see that their lives are continuously degraded.

If liberals maintain control of the Democratic party from now moving forwards, there is not a single chance of stopping fascism through elections. They don't have what it takes. Schumer and Jefferies are all the evidence you need of the pure facade which is a liberal resistance to fascism.

Fascists need to go after socialism first because socialism can actually address the fundamental grievances, which are fascism relies upon to develop support.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

As a non-american or a non-westernet, seeing the takeover of neoliberal (capitalist hierarchy) used as the word liberal instead of the use of it matching progressives/emancipation supporters directly opposed to capitalists is always weird online

[–] optissima@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I appreciate the thought put into this :)

every mind that is now a fascist is a mind that could have become a socialist if we had gotten to them first.

I struggle to believe that every fascist can no longer become a socialist because they weren't turned onto it first, though I guess that can depend where one defines the "is a fascist" line.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean you are right to push back and that statement is overbroad. But there is a broad swath of now fascists who would have been happy to vote for Bernie in 2016 because he represented change, and Hillary was specifically running on "more of the same". And maybe even became fascist as a reaction to the DNC ratfucking of Bernie at that time. And this highlights my point about liberals. We don't have modern fascism in spite of Democrats and the DNC we have modern fascism strictly because of the actions of the Democrats and the DNC.

But its not all of them. Some fascists are just there for the hate and violence. And its not to say they can be "converted back". It might be that once they turned fascist, they are lost. I can't say.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago

It is sad to me that this even needs to be pointed out. That the distorted worldview pushed by MAGA is seeping through all discourse, infecting it.

But thanks, I guess it bears pointing out as much as possible.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They don't know who the Socialists are. Not here, in The U.S. They think the neoliberal Democrats are Socialists for example. This is one of the few areas of politics I don't feel insecure about.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

First they came for the Tankies and I said nothing...

In hindsight, we could really use some tanks about now

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Anti-West fascists cosplaying as communists are still fascists. If there's going to be infighting, interrupting it only helps them.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

You would have supported the murder of Rosa Luxemburg.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yeah tankie praxis only works if you actually have the tanks. And not just some tanks, the tanks. You need the military apparatus of the state, and its associated monopoly on violence, to make that work.

It was never going to work when the opponent is the existing military. It's gotta be grassroots, nothing else is gonna work. Build your community. Like actually, do it.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

Marxist leninists have historically been by far the most successful at fighting against existing militaries.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

~~grassroots~~ geurilla

ftfy

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'd consider that a subset.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You might consider it a superset.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago

Is there a reference I'm not getting? Guerilla action is grassroots, but there's non-guerilla grassroots action