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Shift in relations and unpredictability of Donald Trump make it ‘risky to store so much gold in the US’, say experts

Germany is facing calls to withdraw its billions of euros’ worth of gold from US vaults, spurred on by the shift in transatlantic relations and the unpredictability of Donald Trump.

Germany holds the world’s second biggest national gold reserves after the US, of which approximately €164bn (£122bn) worth – 1,236 tonnes – is stored in New York.

Emanuel Mönch, a leading economist and former head of research at Germany’s federal bank, the Bundesbank, called for the gold to be brought home, saying it was too “risky” for it to be kept in the US under the current administration.

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[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 78 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Is the USA collapsing in real time? Serious question. Denmark dumped treasury bonds, and then a Swedish pension fun dumped a billion of them, now the former research head of Germany Central Bank is saying physically move the gold to Germany

[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 66 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Pretty much, yes. But don't worry, it's not like Trump passed massive tax cuts in his last term that have left the US over leveraged with >100% of GDP in debt and a $1.6T deficit or anything that leaves the US particularly vulnerable to bond sell offs.

What's that? Oh. Well at least there isn't some sort of financial bubble waiting to burst and take the economy with it at the same time.

Sorry, hang on a second, just getting some news through... Oh. Oh dear. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. Well, it was sort of OK for bits of it anyway.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

By the time it actually happens there might be a democrat in charge again who can get all the blame...

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Bold of you to assume there will be future elections.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

That's why I wrote might

[–] brooke592@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago

Is the USA collapsing in real time?

Yes, the spiral has been going on for awhile now.

[–] leavemealone@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That actually looks like a Speedrun to it honestly.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 months ago

Seriously. Took Rome over a hundred years to have their Republic fall from when it started tumbling. We'll be lucky if it takes us 2 decades

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Swedish pension fun

I was in a band by that name. Mostly ABBA covers and very angry punk.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I think I saw a movie with that title a long time ago.

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[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 months ago

Don’t forget about China selling their US bonds off, not too long ago, in what was a “yippy” move from the market.

[–] perestroika@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Denmark

Fortunately for the US, only one small Danish pension fund. Not the whole country. But one can guess that despite the event being small, people aren't currently clawing to have US treasury bonds anywhere.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's wild to consider it, but we may be.

The massive escalation in tactics over the last month tells me that the US' finances may be significantly worse than we know, with the desperation to seize mineral resources, even in the knowledge that diplomatic cooperation could achieve the same ends.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

HAHAHA they still think its there. Wasn't it about a decade ago Germany wanted to see it and America said no.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"OUR GOLD, at this time of year, at this time of day, localized entirely to your vaults?"

"Yes!"

"Can I see it?"

"No."

[–] ogeist@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

And now!?!!?! Of all times, they should have done it on Biden's presidency. Does anyone believe Trump will just agree like that. The guy is going to use it as hostage.

[–] manxu@piefed.social 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The gold was kept in New York because of fears it might be seized by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. I guess Russia is not as problematic now as the former ally.

[–] scintilla@piefed.zip 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think its mostly that Russia has proved its just not a major threat. Yes Ukraine is getting weapons and funding from many other countries but the fact is if Russia had a fraction of the power we thought they did for a long time the qar would have been over before the aid even made it to the country.

[–] nickhammes@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Also the Soviet Union during the Cold War was much closer than Russia is today. Part of Germany was under Soviet control, and the Western capitol was Bonn, several hundred kilometers from the border. Modern Russia is a bit further than that, with a whole county between them.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Huh, TIL that Germany has such a big gold reserve - 75+% - and stores half of it abroad. Most of that half in the US 🤦

The Eurozone's gold reserves are much larger btw.

[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago

Friedrich Merz is too much of a coward to do anything remotely courageous like that.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not only have we never seen your gold, Dear Leader is now several billion dollars' worth of gold richer. Coincidentally

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 3 points 2 months ago

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they attempted to steal it.

[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good idea, but might have to come in like France did in 1971 (they rolled up to NY harbor in a destroyer). For some reason I don't think it'll work like it worked for de Gaulle.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

WTF happened in 1971‽‽

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nixon fucked the world through the dollar.

In short, the world is paying the US to fuck around, since Bretton Woods replaced gold with the the USD, meaning that the US gets unlimited money while they get to spread their inflationary pressure around the world.

Charles de Gaulle, president of France at the time wasn't as stupid as most world leaders, and ended up preserving at least some semblance of fiscal independence by smuggling the French gold back from the US.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Well I'm sure the dollop of fermented meat in charge won't try something as someone takes back his favourite coloured metal

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Everyone should do this. Trump has sticky fingers, and it is inevitable for them to wander to places unwanted.

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 4 points 2 months ago

Trump has sticky fingers

The country has sticky fingers.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 months ago
[–] Markie84@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago

Trump hid it particularly well. He melted down the gold bars to hang them as picture frames and other knick-knacks in the new ballroom. Thank you, Donald, for hiding the German gold so safely.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

I hope there is some of Germany's gold left. If not, at least grab a wall sconce on your way out.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 2 months ago

Can't. Got melted down for gold crappers

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