The amount of people who are okay with self-elected individuals viloating people's liberties as a response to the violation of liberties is both shocking and disappointing. Just because you claim it's for a righteous cause, that doesn't make it okay. That's the same kind of mentality that leads to the justification of things like the NSA surveillance, the EU chat control, ID requirements to access parts of the internet. Keep trading away your freedoms for a false sense of security, you might never get them back.
this post was submitted on 02 Feb 2026
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Shut the fuck up. These are members of the actual community policing a STREET themselves.
Fuck outta here with your garbage. State surveillance and power is scary cuz it's the fucking state.
No one in Minneapolis is spinning up an NSA, and no one with a brain thinks a community imposing order and safety itself, on its own community, as it's invaded by a fascist paramilitary, shares anything in common with the idiotic slippery slope nonsense you're talking about. Get a grip (or get better at propaganda, your call).
"Violating liberties is only bad when the fascists do it. When I do it, its okay."
-You
I'm willing to have an open dialogue, but when you immediately jump in with the attacks and bad faith arguments, you get blocked. I never said that these actions will lead to those things, I said their driven by the same mentality: violating liberties for a righteous crusade. Your heart may be in the right place, but two wrongs don't make a right.
I'm not criticizing people defending their communities. Calling out bad tactics is not the same as criticizing the entire movement. But when you resort to violating liberties to do it, the thing you're supposedly fighting against, then you're clearly a hypocrite and you're clearly in the wrong.
Good day.
then how should they defend their communities? what would you do to organize your neighbors and keep themselves safe from unidentified goons dressed driving around in vehicles that are not clearly identified as being goons, sometimes even masquerading as delivery vehicles?
also the scale of violence is so wildly disproportionate that it's EXTREMELY hard to take you serious. ICE: murdering people in the street for being brown or in the way. popular decentralized organization: making sure they know who's coming in and out of their community not through a digital panopticon but by coordinating observations.
like… do you also consider the zapatistas an authoritarian power structure? popular front in palestine? the rojava?
two wrongs don't make a right
You can keep your nursery rhyme morality, too. These are life and death stakes, occurring on the ground right now - hostility is the only appropriate response to a take as bad as yours, because it sounds like enemy action.
Go fuck yourself.
That's what the police was supposed to be doing. Preventing crime.
been yelling at my Mayor. no, not signing a collaboration agreement isnt enough. they need to make sure no white supremacist mask paramilitary gang conducting ethnic cleansing for pedophiles should be allowed to step foot without being arrested.
police standing by, not protecting their community is still them being complicit. ACAB for sure. but in theory (based on copaganda), fighting crime and protecting people was the whole point of them having the most overblown budget in the city.
I've been saying for a few weeks now that Minnesotans need to form a citizens militia of some sort. Neighbors protecting neighbors from the fascist paramilitary thugs roaming the streets and conducting warrantless searches and illegal detentions.
This is a big step in the right direction.
You don't have to march out into the streets and have a shootout with ICE to send a very clear and intimidating message - real American patriots look out for their friends and neighbors, and Trump's thugs are not welcome anywhere and should watch their backs constantly and sleep with one eye open.
One might say that a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state!
I swear I've read this sentiment before somewhere....
At the caucus last night we made a resolution of such - If our 'well regulated militia' is our national guard, than we need to fight to make sure that some authoritarian can't come in, nationalize them and turn them against the people of their state. We also resolved that no national guard troops from another state be allowed to operate in a law enforcement capacity in our state. I think there's still too many in the DFL who think we should be reaching across the aisle but I say the time for that is done.
"Reaching across the aisle" despite decades of bad faith is how we got here. The time for that is indeed long past.
As far as the Framers of the Constitution's intent, it's very well known that they were vehemently opposed to tyranny, so if the federal government becomes such, the "free state" will clearly be those places that it is attempting to oppress.
If someone can't be held accountable to the law then we are living in a tyrannical state.
Milquetoast centrists will lie to themselves and say we're not there yet, but we absolutely are.
and have been
I've said they need to create ice free zones like Portland did for police free zones.
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