Community members performing traffic stops in order to check for fascist paramilitary invaders. (Minneapolis, MN

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

I've said they need to create ice free zones like Portland did for police free zones.

[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago

This is what I'm talking about!

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 102 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is ILLEGAL and they Need to be DEPORTED!

-People who are OK with ICE Ramming cars off The Road with their Guns Drawn!

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

I just wanted to say that my day is brightened every time I see one of your conments

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

*ram cars with SUVs purchased with tax payer dollars.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 77 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's in their right to form a gated community if they want. And valid warrants are required to enter.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Gonna start with: Fuck ICE.

As to your comment about a gated community, there some logistics around it such as the loss of city/county maintenance of roads and usually trash service. Yes they are well within their rights but it does create a lot of additional headaches.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trash service is private, you're either paying your community to pay the company or paying the company directly. Not a big difference.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Correct but it’s still logistics exactly the same as the road. You’re either paying the community to fix your roads (via taxes) or paying the company directly. You also lose a lot of the economies of scale and negotiating power as you’re now a smaller entity.

[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Indeed. Completely understandable to establish borders to keep certain people out who might mean you harm or who might disrupt the peace of your community. Unfortunately you also need infrastructure to enforce those borders, such as documentation and an enforcement agency. But it's worth it in order to keep your community safe.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Completely understandable to establish borders to keep certain people out who might mean you harm or who might disrupt the peace of your community.

I mean, keeping ice out because they genuinely are a threat is cool. But some people would use this logic to keep out black people, because they falsely believe black people will disrupt the peace or mean them harm.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't tell’em about zip codes!
They might learn this is the exact case already!

[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Yes exactly, which is why rules like this should never pass.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

As long as that does not extend beyond individual neighborhoods or towns, yes. Once states begin doing it, the problems rise up.

[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 36 points 2 days ago

Brave badasses.

[+] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works -45 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Restricting peoples freedom of movement is incredibly fucked up, even if its for a righteous cause.

[–] DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nobody's freedom is being restricted, just slowed down, controlled and managed for community safety. Are traffic lights unconstitutional too?

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[+] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -25 points 2 days ago (6 children)

This feels really weird to me:

protecting the community against ICE is of course a righteous cause, but to do it by basically acting like less murderous cops, inconveniencing a lot of innocent people is not the BEST way to do that.

Especially since many of the people who would be willing to volunteer for such a task will tend to be less willing to stop again once ICE hopefully goes away making the stops an unnecessary nuisance..

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If it's a community action empowered by the community they'll probably willingly stop when the community stops supporting it. Should they become a nuisance then the community has learned how to handle that.

Cops don't lose their backing when the local community wants them out.

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Consider the fact that police have co-opted the right and responsibility for community defense from the citizenry and hold that responsibility captive from us every day, so that they can abuse it only to divide, oppress, and disorganize us as a class. If a community of neighbors decide that they need a checkpoint to protect each other then they do, and the only reason that recalls cops in our heads is because for our whole lives cops are the only context we've had for anything that looks remotely like the right to organization that they've stolen.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 days ago

Consider the fact that police have co-opted the right and responsibility for community defense from the citizenry and hold that responsibility captive from us every day, so that they can abuse it only to divide, oppress and disorganize us as a class.

I am very much considering that. That's both the reason why I don't immediately condemn non-cops doing it out of hand AND why I'm wary of what'll happen once they've been doing it long enough that they're used to it/it's been normalized.

Most cops started out working or lower middle class and betrayed their class to become the hired thugs of the rich. People starting to do cop type things with good intentions aren't always immune to the temptation to let it change them.

the only reason that recalls cops in our heads is because for our whole lives cops are the only context we've had for anything that looks remotely like the right to organization that they've stolen

Not really, no. There's myriad different ways to organize your community that isn't cop stuff like the car version of Stop & Frisk. What's that quote about using the master's tools to liberate ourselves not working?

[–] J92@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

You've offered no alternatives.

And if you put "inconvenience" and "nuisance" on a scale opposite to "beaten" and "executed in the street", I don't think they'd land even.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

It does feel weird because it is weird in a weird situation where it is needed. If ICE leaves the situation gets less weird and these people can go back to their normal lives.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

How dare the citizenry try to challenge the government's monopoly on violence?

[+] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social -8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not weird at all. It's called operant conditioning: Instead bombing Nazis, freeing victims in deathcamps, heck even hunting nazis, they have become Nazis themselves, gestapoing non in-groups in their community “for their protection.”

It is precisely this conditionate praxis why I have given up on 🇺🇲ans ever revolting. They have become the very thing they fought against.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

so much incorrect. let's just start with the accusation they have become cops. just flat out wrong

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social -5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Then why are they watching who comes in or not in their community? What's the point of barricading their entrances? Why are they even stopping traffic for?

Liberators would have already demolished deathcamps. Noncombatants would be feeding, sheltering, and networking with the victims. And the combat ready would be bombing Lockheed Martin, Palantir, SpaceX, Amazon, Google, Meta, OpenAI, et al.

What're “cops” to you?

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