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[–] ambitious_bones@lemmy.world 98 points 2 days ago (6 children)
[–] AccoSpoot@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 20 hours ago

"United Kingdom"

I call bullshit, the government is currently trying to pretend trans folks don't exist and the people about to take over are more generally horrible.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Why the fuck is the UK even listed at all? The country that proudly says, that it is determining sex based on what you were born with and that everyone has to use bathrooms AS according to their birth sex.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

UK here. Starmer went full TERF for some moronic reason (far from his first bad decision), but we still have only non-gender-specific toilets at my rather large workplace. So it's bigoted and nasty, but it hasn't been applied with the fascist zeal that it would be in the States.

How common are gender neutral restrooms in the UK in general? I'm generally curious, since at least in Germany its not that common to find some.

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[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Because it's a list about safety, not about beliefs. Regardless of what "the country says", you are not in any danger if you disagree. And outside of that issue, it's a very welcoming country for LGBT folks (yes, including T, despite what the government may say).

Especially since it's in the context of travel, so citizen rights are less relevant as they don't apply to you anyway, and it's much more relevant how you are going to be treated as a tourist, as you choose from the several LGBT friendly pubs down the road.

And that's still hyper focusing on one issue, totally ignoring the list also concerns safety for women and people of color, which can bring you up on the list.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

it’s a very welcoming country for LGBT folks (yes, including T, despite what the government may say)

I live in a largely rural county, and that's been my experience too. A lot of the pubs and clubs in town not only have substantial LGBT clientele, but also management, and the straight clients don't seem at all bothered by that. And it's common to see groups of neighbors and coworkers that include same-sex couples. I'd venture that racism and xenophobia are more pervasive here than homophobia. And even those don't seem that bad-- my visibly foreign wife and kids got more shit in London than they do here. I'm foreign too, though not visibly, and I've never had problems, except a couple encounters with belligerent drunks, and those are easily handled. Those idiots would pick a fight with a hatstand and still manage to lose.

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[–] Mora@pawb.social 64 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Interesting to compare that to the ILGA Rainbowmap which just contains Europe.

The european countries from the list above rank as follows:

  • Netherlands 13th
  • France 15th
  • Austria 16th
  • UK 22nd (below EU average)
  • Ireland 14th
  • Iceland 3rd
  • Switzerland 18th

Now obviously they use different scoring ('travel' vs 'living there') but I think it is interesting that they differ that much. Also the groups differ and the one from the article seems pretty broad. I would hope everywhere with substantial progress in LGBTQIA+ rights would also have proper womens rights and protections as well, since it is the same side of the (manysided) equality-coin. Imo racism is still pretty bad and widespread across europe, so not sure how much that factors into the list (though if it would be a strong factor I would be surprised to see Austria and Switzerland on this list).

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago

Absolutely - I was going to say, Spain is head and shoulders above the UK for LGBT safety (those are the only two countries I've spent a lot of time in recently).

Also worth noting, I've been in the non-touristy parts of north Vietnam for a month now (much more conservative than the south), and having talked to quite a few LGBT people here, it's safe to live as an openly queer person, they just occasionally have to put up with assholes ... just like everywhere else. And as a guiri, even the assholes don't want to confront me, an obviously queer woman.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't think it's surprising the lists differ a lot.

  • Living there - will be more about the governments beliefs, and the law
  • Travel - will be more about what everyday people think and treat others

These are often very different, on any issue.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago

I'm surprised that the Netherlands don't make it into the top 10 though. My German view is definitely biased, but when I travel there it just feels like (well, used to feel like) they got other stuff to think about than other people's gender and sexuality. Be what you want to be, as long as you're going to our coffee shops kind of. As basically all European countries are shifting to the right more and more, I imagine the relaxed climate has also changed. Also the Netherlands are more than just the big cities, God knows how LGBTQA+ friendly they are in Overjissel. I only played cow cricket there.

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[–] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

What a low bar the world has for safety when this terf island is so high in the rankings

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah that list is bullshit.

[–] blinfabian@feddit.nl 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Glad to see folks🧵 questioning such blatant bait.

Rainbow Map has done an extensive peer reviewed study on this. Fuck🖕sales.

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago

It would be kinda hard for Canada to get placed on a ranking of European countries.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

In hindsight having "cult" in the publication's name should have been a red flag.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Huh, I'm surprised to see Spain being so green. Wouldn't have thought it possible years ago when I lived there.

Nice to see Denmark is basically 100%.

Sad to see Eastern Europe being so red and orange. I got some gay friends there. Was hoping it'd get safer for them as time went on...

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I love you, Canada. I want to join you one day. Please acquire California.

[–] CowsLookLikeMaps@sh.itjust.works 64 points 2 days ago (2 children)

38.33% of Californians voted for Trump last election. In our most right-wing province of Alberta, 21% of people hold positive views of Trump. Adding a blue state to Canada would bring in millions of far-right voters and move our country significantly right.

Let's remain friends. :)

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I doubt those fuckers would stay in California if we left to join you.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Given our own right wingers would rather seperate an entire province than just join the states themselves, i doubt your rigbt wingers would just walk away from california in this hypothetical scenario

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Not a risk I'm willing to take :/

Edit: and who knows? Our level of free healthcare may radicalize them :)

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How is this "world news"? The news is the full list and not just Canada.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Took me a couple read throughs ngl but I see you're referring to the submission's editorialized (?) title.

[–] JamesBlonde@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Doesn't feel like it lately with how the conservatives are acting...

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No Scandinavian countries among top 10?
That doesn't seem right.

[–] sahin@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I dont trust the data any more. You should check how they managed to create the list, which sources they used etc. Most of the data are made by the West, so West countries top the list all the time. Thailand should definitely be in top 10!

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Thailand should definitely be in top 10!

From what I have heard, that seems right.

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[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Terrifying. That's the bar?

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Blogspam. Original: https://www.bhtp.com/blog/safest-places-to-travel/

The list of safest overall:

  1. Netherlands
  2. Australia
  3. Austria
  4. Iceland
  5. Canada
  6. New Zealand
  7. United Arab Emirates
  8. Switzerland
  9. Japan
  10. Ireland
  11. Belgium
  12. Portugal
  13. France
  14. United Kingdom
  15. Denmark

They have other lists in there too.

[–] Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Since when is australia the 2nd, considering the amount of discrimination that is persistent in that country. Firstly it was the Aboriginals, now its ageism caused by these "protection laws".

I'd really consider again if that list is accurate.

[–] PanGodofPanic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The UAE being on that list immediately screams that this list is horse shit, possibly specifically UAE funded.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Despite being a proud Canadian this seems to be the only logical conclusion.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Canada is way better than just 2 places better than UAE.
We had a woman recently jailed in UAE for months, because she was divorced here in Denmark as a Dane living in Denmark.
But her husband was a muslim, and filed a complaint in UAE while she was on holiday there. And she was arrested for being divorced!!!

Yes definitely very safe. 🤣🤣🤣

I have to puke every time I hear women or minorities praise Dubai or anything UAE. It's a shithole dictatorship kept in check with religious fanaticism. 🤢🤮

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you for sharing your perspective. From mine I have never heard a good thing with regards to human rights from there. As a Canadian I want to emphasize we shouldn't be complacent, we have a lot of work to do. But we can still recognise how far we have come.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even the best democracies seem to have some way to go regarding LGBT acceptance.
Here we are pretty good with the LGB but the T part is still somewhat problematic.
It's not like it's dangerous, but there is a lot of disrespect and lack of understanding.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

How is UAE No. 7?! There are literally emirates where you will get assaulted on the streets for being visibly non cishet, from what I've heard. Also according to Wikipedia, gay people can be murdered for the crime of being gay there, and according to Virgin Atlantic, you are not allowed to import "flyers promoting anti-Islam (including GSM) propaganda, intended for distribution"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates

https://www.virginatlantic.com/policies/dangerous-or-restricted-items

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

UAE is like Saudi Arabia (maybe not quite as extreme), where there's a big LBGT scene on the down-low, but also draconian laws against it that are selectively enforced. Think Victorian England, but with more executions. And similar levels of hypocrisy. I worked over there, and queer colleagues were never short of companionship, but they had to be very deeply closeted. And every couple of years, the government would raid a club, arrest a few people, torture them and maybe decapitate a few. And, like everything over there, if you have money and/or connections, it's easier for you.

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[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago

How is UAE No. 7?! There are literally emirates where you will get assaulted on the streets for being visibly non cishet, from what I've heard

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago

Are they pull this list out of their ass? Like seriously? UAE?

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Our country isn't easy to get in to but you are definitely welcome! There's no place free of bigots but at least in the cities there are enough of us to protect you.

Edit: not easy as an immigrant I mean. Getting permanent residence (PR), etc. Tourists from most countries should have little trouble travelling (as long as you don't have a layover in the USA).

And depending on the area many small towns are probably fine also.

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