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Non-US cloud storage for backup? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 1 day ago by BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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Looking for non-US cloud storage. The more paranoid the better!

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[–] GentlePulpy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Syncthing for synchronization between devices, then rsync to a couple of flash drives for cold backup.

The setup is so easy, you don't even need a server for this, just your ordinary PC.

There is no more paranoid solution than owning your files on the devices you own as well, so you never have to trust the third party.

Additionally, clunky all-in-one self-hosted solutions like Nextcloud bind you to their ecosystem, so it may be hard for you to switch to another one.

Just a plain file backup to your own storage will always be a savior for your lost data, regardless of third party apps or infrastructure.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 15 points 19 hours ago

Others have suggested: encrypt data on your side and you don't need to worry about where you store it. Cryptomator is a good option.
As for storage, the feedback on Hetzner boxes seems to be good and i'm happy with mega.

[–] bababu@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago

alwyzon storage server in Viennese data center

[–] PracticalFail@feddit.org 10 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

What about hetzner storeagebox? https://www.hetzner.com/de/storage/storage-box/ with client side encryption ? It's cheap and reliable, supports all common file transfer methods - the encryption can and likely should anyway be done by your preferred backup tool?

[–] sakphul@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 14 hours ago

I would like to second this. Me personally I am pretty happy with using a storage Box as one of the Backup locations. It is on the pricier end, so I only use it for backup of certain file types (e.g. not for storing video backups or Disk images)

[–] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 hours ago

I can also recommend the object storage from hetzner for backups. Quite price competitive.

[–] portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I used to use B2 before the whole CEO financial issues came out (not another one accused of something unsavoury) and wasn't sure how it's going to pan out. I switched to a cheaper (per GB) Hetzner storage box and am super happy with it

I use restic, specifically https://github.com/garethgeorge/backrest for making backups and uploading them via rclone.

[–] bitwyze@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Can you link something about the Backblaze CEO? I'm not finding anything.

[–] portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It was some dodgy accounting accusations/reveals https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/04/backblaze-responds-to-claims-of-sham-accounting-customer-backups-at-risk/

For me it was an excuse to try something new and cover my ass just in case this didn't pan out. But overall it looks to have blown over

[–] bitwyze@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/29/backblaze_sham_accounting_claims/

Backblaze strongly denies all the allegations, and claims instead that Morpheus is attempting to manipulate its stock price for financial gain. The firm admits to holding short positions in Backblaze shares.

Not saying that the Morpheus report isn't true, but that's a pretty damning conflict of interest.

[–] ppb1701@ppb.social 3 points 10 hours ago

@bitwyze @portnull Yeah regardless of accuracy....it really looks like let's tank the stock and make out like a bandit.

[–] traxex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Borg Base offers EU based server locations. They have been awesome to work with.

[–] TypFaffke@feddit.org 3 points 10 hours ago

And the company is based in Malta

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

They also support restic if you get annoyed at borg lock issues.

[–] Rheinish@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I can recommend Hetzner Storage Boxes. The company is located in Germany, but you can choose server locations in Germany and in Finland. You can set it up with Rclone's Crypt feature to encrypt all your files.

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I've been using Hetzner boxes for my backups, although I did need to send them a copy of my id, which may or may not fit the paranoia thing.

Of course, encryption is always worth it.

[–] swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 1 points 21 hours ago

They never asked me for that (UK here). Was up and running with just the basics in minutes. Are you on a list? 😅

They do have a waiting/payment cycle period on their server offering before they'll open mail ports. Once you qualify, you still need to raise a ticket to ask. That was a bit annoying as my new ISP is stricter with the ports than prior, meaning I had to wait before my relay workaround could send mail.

[–] sznowicki@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

TIL rclone can encrypt. Storage box also supports borg if someone prefers. Borg is cool. It also deduplicates the archive saving a lot of space.

[–] swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 2 points 22 hours ago

Same setup here, Hetzner/Rclone with enc. Script runs daily on the NAS to beam everything up. Very happy.

Make at least one offline copy of what you need to decrypt and keep separate though. An inaccessible encrypted backup is no backup at all.

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago

+1 for Hetzner

I'm using restic to encrypt my files (content + filenames)

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

pCloud is pretty good, and there is an option for an EU server. It doesn't have a Linux client though, so now I use Jottacloud, which is hosted in Norway and has a (CLI) Linux client that works quite well! I also have a locally hosted Nextcloud instance as another backup. More backups is always good!

[–] Matt@lemdro.id 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

pCloud has a Linux client. Both GUI and CLI. But I personally use rclone for all cloud services. It is often even more reliable and offers better performance than official clients. It also allows managing multiple cloud services from the same place. It supports client-side encryption as well.

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 hours ago

Does it? I wasn't able to find it, but if that's true, that's pretty cool! Rclone seems like a neat tool for backups, very cool

[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Are you using rclone for nextcloud? I really wish they implement VFS at some point! This is the only thing I am missing from my windows days as the daily driver.

[–] Matt@lemdro.id 1 points 10 hours ago

I no longer use Nextcloud. I use rclone with the smb remote for my NAS.

[–] suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just use client-side encryption, then it doesn't matter where it goes

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Kopia is great for this. Choose your encryption, built in support for different provider storage tyoes in the GUI to choose where to go, dedupe, folder structure scramble, etc...

But their flatpak hasn't been updated in ages...

[–] leraje@piefed.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://filen.io/

Not pricey, e2ee clients, open source, servers in Germany, 10gb free tier to try them out. Been using them for a few years now. The clients used to be a bit crap but they're very good now.

[–] Buck@jlai.lu 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven’t found how to connect Filen’s S3 to BackRest… the only thing keeping me from using the 110 Go I have with them to double backup my local backup on another drive.

[–] RTWoaQVT@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

+1

Hit me up, if you figure it out!

[–] 42beansinapod@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 22 hours ago

I currently use Infomaniak object storage with restic. I like it since it's Openstack and if they ever go to shit I can easily switch to another Openstack provider. OVH is also one I have used in the past.

[–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

https://ihostart.com/ one of the cheapest I know.

https://ardrive.io/ for a permanent, encrypted, decentralized, blockchain based solution.

A raspberry pi hidden in a wall behind a power socket or in some always plugged in appliance like a fridge or tv at some place with wifi or a phone with a data plan connected to a portable solar charger set up on some roof or tree.

[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then don't go to the cloud! (or use encrypted storage if you really have to)

My view: Unless I can access the hardware 24/7/365 the data isn't mine for 'they' can deny me access to my data anytime while they keep full access. (hence store it decryped)

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A hard drive in a PO Box; data encrypted. Retrieve it occasionally to sync it with your local storage.

[–] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or family.

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is good, if they:

    1. Understand & trust what you're doing and don't fiddle with it
    1. Don't understand and just don't fiddle with it

Luckily I have a family member that fits one of those categories.

[–] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 1 points 22 hours ago

I completely get the paranoia component of needing to control all factors involved. I have that too regarding my data. But at some point trust is needed.

PO boxes can burn down. The power grid can fry everything. Even the backup as soon as you plug it in. The government can create a kind of gestapo and let them loose and you won't have the right to run a server anyways (uh?). Etc..

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

zfs.rent

[–] neodc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago

They are from the US, no?

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if this is for privacy i'd just use the cheapest/fastest option that supports rclone and use its encrypted upload feature.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This. Assuming you are following the 3,2,1 schema, if the big, bad American boogie man gets it, it will be encrypted (useless), and backed up elsewhere.

[–] atropa@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I use filen and koofr

[–] NanoooK@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why both? Any preference?

[–] atropa@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

Diff,country ,extra layer for security ,no preference

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Syncthing and an old android device with a big ass ssd connected

[–] dlrdp@lemmy.poudlar.do 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  • shadow.tech (fast, not so expensive)
  • Proton Drive
  • or look for a managed Nextcloud solution (Murena Workspace, etc.)
[–] tuxec@infosec.pub 1 points 13 hours ago

Can uploads to Proton Drive be automated?

[–] UxyIVrljPeRl@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

As the prices widely varry by storage size, you may want to add a size estimate, but i can say that anything above a couple tb is probably more expansive than finding a selhosted solution.