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Fuck Sam Altman, fucking cunt
this post was submitted on 22 Feb 2026
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Aren't humans and biological creatures in general found to be extremely efficient with energy? Given the computing power in our brains the fact it runs on so little is amazing no?
Doesn't the human brain do what it does on like the same electricity as a lightbulb?
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Yes, it's disingenuous for him to bring up all the time used for humans to evolve as well. If we're going to go that far, we also ought to include the energy/time used by the engineers who created ChatGPT, and all the energy used by plants/animals in the evolution leading to those engineers. Not to mention all the time/energy/training of all the people who created the training data over the past few centuries.
Frankly, at that point, any human artist is more "efficient" than AI - they're able to master their field in mere decades.
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His argument is his computer is more important than other people, and he's willing to deprive them of resources to death.
Humans should not have to compete for resources hogged by tech.
creating the "ai" in the first place also required the evolution of those 100 billion people. So by that argument, he was behind before he even started, and it's impossible to catch up
It's like he asked his chatbot to come up with this argument.
Somebody actually did the math, and even accounting for all the energy that it takes for a human to stay alive a pair of decades, it's not even a hundredth of the energy needed to run the training of GPT-3. And GPT-4 took over fifty times that. Cf. fosstodon.org/@atoponce/116121…
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People fucking hate AI now, surely talking about humanity as if they are a bunch of livestock will turn that sentiment right around.
And humans also built the fucking power plants and pay for the energy they use, asshole.
a master class in what-about-ism
These people fundamentally do not think about human life in a normal way.
It literally warms my heart to know they are all just as temporary as the rest of us. And how afraid they are of being dust in the wind
Someone on Bluesky pointed out that, even if you ignore the morality of this argument, AI is trained on human content, so if we're going to start examining the human energy cost, we'll have to factor in the cost of every single human whose work was used by ChatGPT on top of the data center costs.
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by this logic AI has also used the knowledge of 100 billion people and has the same starting energy debt as a person. with the added bonus that it can't actually create anything new. Even their dumbass arguments can't stand under their own weight
According to the article, this was his literal next sentence:
And not only that, it took the very widespread evolution of the 100 billion people that have ever lived and learned not to get eaten by predators and learned how to figure out science and whatever, to produce you.
Where's Alannis Morissette when you need her?
I can outperform ai while being powered by a bag of cinema popcorn, sit your bitch arse down
Hey don't get angry at me, it is them immigrants fault I had to dehumanize you
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Altman, Thiel, Musk, et al, need to be headed to the gallows.
The problem isn't so much their reckless careless behavior, but that they can get so many people to go along and invest.
That's because capitalism is a mental illness, these people are all sick and need treatment
train a human
This guy has the same level of empathy as Zuck.
dystopian novel type shit
Oh good, the Bitcoin argument.
"Sure, Bitcoin wastes a lot of energy, but you know what else wastes energy? The Visa payment network."
Yeah, but Visa handles six quadrispillion transactions per megawatthour, Bitcoin handles two drug purchases. Not the same results, is it?
So yeah, training humans takes a lot of energy. But in the end, you get a coherent, capable and well functioning individual. Spend the same energy on training LLMs and you get a system that'll happily tell you to glue the cheese on pizza or something.
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The humans still exist and need food, even if they are replaced by chatbots in the workforce. The comparison is therefore useless, unless you plan to murder the unemployed.
unless you plan to murder the unemployed.
Well, that's precisely what some of the Trump-aligned fascists are suggesting on live television.
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A modest proposal
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Tech bros deal in false equivalencies. In general they rely on the playbook of logical fallacies. The one they rely on most is the presumption that the technology they're trying to sell is correct by default as if it's a fundamental law of the universe. And that the onus is on others to prove them wrong. Rather than them having to prove its correctness.
They often resort to ad hominem by implying their detractors lack intelligence or they're emotional. This again draws on more logical fallacy that because they deal in technology it means they presume to own the position of being purely objective and correct by default. So anyone who says otherwise is disputing science itself.
In other words they never have to prove the veracity of the technology they're trying to sell because they divert the discourse off topic to frivolous arguments about something else.
Maybe we could use altman to fuel the ai? As charcoal?
Not that efficient since most of him is just water.
Well maybe we need to compensate for the inefficiency by including all his CEO and Billionaire buddies as well.
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Started from "for good of humanity" and now we're at "humans use a lot of energy". Man why does everything have to suck like that.
wouldn't let that nerd fix a paper jam. visionary hallucinations. by that logic we should all die so ai might live cheaper. amen
If we ate just one techbro the other ones would fall in line pretty quickly
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Except the energy AI is using should also calculate the amount of time and energy used to create all the plagiarized works in its memory banks to make a better comparison.
Don't forget the energy needed to produce the humans who:
- Produced research leading to the creation of LLMs.
- Figured out how to design the GPUs that AI run on.
- Extracted the raw materials for the chips.
- Processed the materials into products.
- Transported the materials and products.
- Installed the GPUs in datacenters.
- Built the datacenters.
- Operate the civil infrastructure providing power and water to the datacenters.
- Planned and designed that civil infrastructure.
- Congregated into a single area to create the town/city where that infrastructure was planned.
- Birthed that population of people.
- Etc.
Hint: It's the same cumulative energy that his own stupid argument is hinged on.
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I really wish Sam Altman would treat himself with the dignity and efficiency he wants to treat us with.
The ideology of evil eugenicists didn't die with Hitler, and they didn't die with Epstein either.
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Sam Altman is right. In fact, when you think about it, humans also give off lots of excess energy in the form of body heat, and it is only logical that this energy would be harvested to make AI run more efficiently. AI gives humans so much, it's only fair if they give something back.
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