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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 7 points 14 hours ago

Peter Retarddo's claim: Big imports ahead of tariffs beat down GDP, and he praised large investment growth.

The investment growth was largely inventories. Most of the imports go first to inventories, but a lot of the imports are in a bonded state, waiting for someone to pay the tariffs on them, or decide to ship them back. Generally, imports get subtracted from GDP, but are cancelled by inventories and eventual sales. Inventory growth is usually negative for future production/jobs.

Consumption did grow 1.8%, and it is a good estimate for stable growth. Except, in this case, consumption pulled forward from tariffs means lower levels next quarters, and bigger inflation adjustments downward.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/gross-domestic-product-1st-quarter-2025-advance-estimate

US has very corrupt GDP measurements, where high interest rates boost GDP calculation through the most corrupt component of Owner's equivalent Rent (about 14% of GDP). This is a made up non-transaction amount. Amazingly, US also adds "free financial services" as though a fair cost was charged into GDP.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Not a crazy thing to say if you don‘t particularly like the USA which I have to assume he doesn‘t.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)
[–] kelpie_returns@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago (17 children)

If you live in the US and are not wealthy, stock up on rice, beans, lentils, and spices now. As much as you can reasonably afford. You will be glad you did.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't forget mouse traps and other ways of keeping them safe from vermin.

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And then later, catching and eating the vermin.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Urban pigeons and rats are definitely NOT a safe food. They're full of chemical pollution that you can't cook out, and probably more than a few diseases which you might also catch. It beats starving to death, but you should consider basically anything else, including boiling your (vegetable tanned) leather belts and shoes.

[–] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Pigeons are actually a domesticated animal that used to be bred for (among other things) food. So you re-domesticate a few of them, and then eat their offspring which you feed household scraps.

You might also save on heating in the winter by having larger cattle in your house and sleeping on a loft above them.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, you can totally eat pigeons, and people do. You can totally eat rats (and I assume some people do). But those aren't the ones you randomly spot eating garbage in the cities.

[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I remember a tour guide in Paris showing me a poster from the Siege of Paris by the Prussians.

Dog meat, pigeons, rats, etc.

Honestly I'd just do what Napoleon III did and just sit in the field and wait to get hit at that point.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I imagine a late 19th century rat or pigeon had a much healthier diet than a modern one. Just be sure not to touch the lungs too much...

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Ah fuck, I just threw a dead mouse away a couple weeks ago. I'm gonna be kicked out of the community for wasting food soon. 3 people could've ate with that.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago

Look at this fat cat.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 10 points 1 day ago

Build a garden box or two if you can afford it. Stupid easy to build and they can be fun.

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 77 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes we know MAGAts black is white, up is down and the Orange Turd is a genius. We don’t don’t believe you.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ignorance is strength, war is peace, freedom is slavery.

France is bacon.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

France is bacon.

Knowledge is power

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 points 13 hours ago

Nods in silent agreement.

[–] mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought it was Chris P Bacon....

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

Terry Prachett approved.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (5 children)

We had a 22 percent increase in domestic investment.

That's good, it really is, but that in and of itself doesn't mean much. Industrial production left the US for a reason. What's changed? The cost of living has only gone up, especially housing, which means the cost of domestic labor is still going to be much higher than many other countries, so how do these US producers plan to turn this new capital investment into a profitable enterprise? How are they going to profitably produce quality goods that Americans can actually afford? Are they only going to make luxury goods for the highest income Americans? If so, who's going to serve the middle and the bottom income levels?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is precisely like when Russia's currency tanked like a stricken submarine, which meant their PPP-adjusted GDP shot up the rankings and became one of the highest numbers in the world, which all the tankies promptly seized upon and used as an example of why the sanctions are actually helping Russia, by boosting its domestic economy, which is why everything is going great.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The sanctions on Oil and Gas certainly were helping Russia because they are lacklusterly enforced but drove up the global prices, benefiting Russia.

By half assing sanctions, the EU and US helped bankroll Russias war chest in 2022.

https://energyandcleanair.org/financing-putins-war/

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago

Goal of the sanctions was to fund US oil/lng extortion profits so that they could fund GOP and climate denial. PPP GDP is not really boosted by currency devaluation. Even if costs are stable in Rubles, the GDP is in USD, and Russia has had high inflation due to high military pay, and labour needing high wages as alternative to joining military.

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thing is the article says the actual domestic investment growth was 9.8%, not 22%.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago

Inventories was also most of that. Means less production in future quarters.

[–] Galapagon@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Maybe slave labor. Or possibly something that actively steals wealth. Like, buying out mortgages then telling families to triple up in the house to cover less food and higher rent. Basically whatever you can imagine that makes things worse for most of us is probably the plan.

If so, who's going to serve the middle and the bottom income levels?

Certainly not the government!

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[–] sundray@lemmus.org 17 points 1 day ago
[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

For the billionaires planning on buying everything up to finish Russiafying our Oligarchy it's a great thing.

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago

That's because all bad news is fake news now, everybody deserves the freedom to choose their own truth! /s

[–] tal@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I expect that Navarro will be needing to do a "high prices are good news" bit once stockpiled goods in warehouses in the US also run dry.

If Trump thought that this statement would be a political winner, I suspect that he'd be doing it himself, rather than having Navarro doing so. Right now, the only thing that Trump's currently seeing net positives in the polls I've most-recently seen is his immigration policy. Not on the economy.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 2 points 17 hours ago

So is Ron Vera.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah good news for his boss Putin the rest of the world not so much.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago
[–] Frjttr@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

The moment you realize you're getting a golden shower from Trump who didn't drink enough water.

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