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Same old sexism, let the young men and poor men die... while women go on w life, leisure and opportunity.
And then back, they are representing Iran. Let them.
This government isn’t going to force anyone to leave. They’re more likely to give them free houses and welfare.
You're being duped friend. On average new arrivals to Australia are less likely to commit crimes.
The reason I say you're being duped, is that the rich and powerful want us fighting amongst ourselves, instead of noticing that they're screwing us over.
The housing crisis is being caused by massive asset inflation, we have literally tens of thousands of empty homes, and houses WAYYYYY more expensive than what they're actually worth.
Fuck Labor, fuck the LNP, but also fuck One Nation. They're trying to dupe you into believing all the problems in our society are being caused by migration, which just is plainly not true.
Get mad at the real enemy friend. Let's take back our country from the leeches at the top.
Join your union, join local community groups. The only way we take back power for the people is organising as a united working class against the leeches: the billionaires...
Where did I mention crime?
The housing crisis is caused by supply and demand. Importing over 1000 people a day while building no houses will do that.
You’re the one who is being duped by the looks of it, eating up all their excuses for why supply and demand isn’t the issue.
Billionaires are not the problem.
eating up all their excuses
Who's excuses? You mean for immigration? I'm not for excessive, nor no immigration. I'm for a manageable number. Just that I think it's wrong to say it's the cause of the housing crisis.
Where did I mention crime?
From your child comment
Example:
The housing crisis is caused by supply and demand. Importing over 1000 people a day while building no houses will do that.
That's the thing, we've been building houses like crazy, and somewhat keeping up with demand, evidenced by the fact there are THOUSANDS EMPTY PROPERTIES. The price inflation no where near matches the utility of houses or demand if it were for living in only. People are expecting to make returns on the house. It's been commodified and tax incentivised and thus prices have gone way up. You're also ignoring the extremely obvious fact that the more people who are here, the more labour there is to produce houses. Having more or less people makes practically no difference to the rate we can build houses (all else being equal).
Funnily enough, Singapore is way, way more constrained with land for housing, but have an extremely strong public housing system, preventing most people from living in properties that have been made into investment vehicles.
Billionaires are not the problem.
Yes. Yes they are. They lobby for lower taxes (for them), avoid the taxes that already exist, making billions off the backs of other people's labour (you can't seriously suggest Gina Rhinehart has put in enough effort to warrant her billions). They own practically 80% of the politicians in parliament. And it's hilarious (and very upsetting) how many people are believing the bullshit they've been feeding us since forever.
The only solution to the housing crisis is making house investment less profitable, and make them somewhere to live, not somewhere to make a profit.
Good luck making your billions mate. It's DEFINITELY within most people's reach... lol /s
Also you missed the point of my screenshot there. It wasn’t about the crime, it was about the fact that that person wasn’t even deported.
Immigration didn’t cause the housing crisis, but it’s now the biggest thing making it worse every single day.
We aren’t building enough houses. There being thousands of empty houses is irrelevant because people own them. They’re not on the market. They were empty before the mass immigration started.
There being more people here doesn’t mean more labour to build houses, because we’re not importing builders or even people that are considered “skilled”. Something like 10% of all the immigrants coming here now are “skilled workers”, the rest are their families and students and unskilled workers.
So, let me get this straight. We have more housing per person than any time in the last 30 years, and you're saying we're not building enough houses?
How is more demand from more immigrants a problem, but low supply from people literally hoarding houses, a human need, not a problem?
It's crazy how people, including you, don't have a problem with people hoarding, and will let the elites convince you it's foreigners.
Like???
People can buy whatever they want to. They’re under no obligation to rent a house out, nor are they not allowed to buy more houses.
We have a supply problem. We aren’t building enough houses. This is fact. We are importing over 7000 people per week, all of who need housing. Are we building 7000 new houses per week in the places these immigrants want to live - inner city? No.
We aren’t building enough houses. This is fact.
We have more houses per person, so it is not a fact. We do have a supply problem, because we're not utilising our existing housing stock.
We do have a supply problem, but it's wild you think it's okay for wealthy people to screw the rest of us over. The supply problem is because houses are sitting empty, and tax incentives are such that profiting off of housing makes it an asset class people are pouring money into.
We could just decide tomorrow we're going to keep housing prices nominally stable, make hoarding empty houses illegal (like, someone's "freedom" to profit doesn't trump the rest of our freedom of having somewhere affordable to live... we live in a society, not an anarcho-capitalist hellscape), and remove tax incentives that make housing such an attractive asset class.
We could be using these piles of money invested into unproductive assets (the house just sits there, the actual value from living there is far, far exceeded by the current price) and invest them in actual productive assets like companies and research.
Housing needs to be for people to live, not to profit.
We are building enough housing per person, that's a fact, and I've given you the data to prove it. Yes, even with how many people were bringing in (which I agree, we ought not just aimlessly do).
But it's plainly obvious that the reason housing is expensive is not because of the number of houses we have.
To be clear we have more housing per person than before, so the 7000 per week figure (also, is that net?), doesn't really prove your point at all.
Where are these empty houses? Not where people want to live, and they’re not for sale or rent so they’re irrelevant.
Are we building 7000 new homes per week? No. We are factually not building enough homes.
You are not owes someone else giving you their house to live in. If they choose to buy it and keep it empty that’s up to them, and they shouldn’t be forced to do otherwise. Thinking they should is just jealousy.
7000 new homes per week? No.
Clearly we must be, otherwise how would the number of houses per person be increasing...?
Something tells me the 7000 per week number isn't correct or otherwise misconstrued. Please link to the relevant study or ABS data page. (There may be some confusion between net migration, and number of ARRIVALS per week, which includes tourists and other temporary visa holders)
they’re not for sale or rent so they’re irrelevant
You are not owes someone else giving you their house to live in. If they choose to buy it and keep it empty that’s up to them, and they shouldn’t be forced to do otherwise. Thinking they should is just jealousy.
Sorry, but I think this take isn't sensible. We regulate a lot of our society. We don't let people do whatever they want, where we draw the line in different areas comes down to what we value as a society.
You seem to value ownership above all else. Never mind the extremely damaging externalities, in your point of view.
If you own a house, and you're not living in it, and you're not renting it out, especially if you own more than 2 (I think holiday houses aren't some sacred thing people NEED, but fine, have A holiday house), then sorry, yes, you should be forced to sell or rent it out. Thinking it's okay to just keep it empty as your personal choice, is anti-social behaviour, and we as a society can choose to disallow it like we do with many other anti-social behaviours.
It's not jealously, it's empathy for your fellow human beings who need somewhere affordable to live. We as a society do get to decide when someone's behaviour is unacceptable. Unless you're not a fan of democracy?
We balance freedoms for the individual with what's best for the collective. Both extremes of hyper-individualism (what you seem to think "FreedomAdvocacy" means) or no personal rights whatsoever are dumb. There's a debate to be had about where exactly we should fall for any given topic, but the extremes seem a terrible way to run society.
You need to get an adult to explain your houses per 1000 people graph to you lol
I hate to pull the insulting card, but you started it:
Bro.
What don't you understand about 420 dwellings per 1000 inhabitants being higher than 377 dwellings per 1000 inhabitants?
Did you fail year 6 maths?
What are you not understanding here? Where do you get off implying I can't read graphs when clearly you don't seem to understand the concept. (Or just refusing to acknowledge it?)
More likely, you're just too stubborn to admit that your pre-decided "reason" for the housing crisis is bullshit, and you're just spouting numbers without actually bothering to look up the source. You just feel it's those pesky foreigners.
I really hope it's not that you innumerate. Would be a scathing indictment of our education system
Do you think that if inflation drops from 3% to 2% that things got cheaper?
We’re still bringing in significantly more people than we’re building houses to support. Building 400 houses when you brought in 1000 isn’t enough lol.
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No wonder they're able to lie to you. You haven't understood the graph.
Do you think that if inflation drops from 3% to 2% that things got cheaper?
No, this is not the same concept. Inflation is increase in prices over a set period. (Typically given per year). It's a rate of change. I'll try spell out for you what the graph I linked to means, but it's not showing rate of change per time. It's showing a ratio of current houses, to current population for each given year.
We’re still bringing in significantly more people than we’re building houses to support. Building 400 houses when you brought in 1000 isn’t enough lol.
This is total housing per person at the given year. NOT the rate of change.
Let's take the reciprocal fractions, maybe you'll get it then...
In 1990 there were ~2.65 people dwelling (1000/377). In 2022 there we only ~2.38 people per dwelling (1000/420). At that date, not rate of change like you're imagining.
I'm really hoping you understand now, that per person there are MORE houses than there were 30 years ago, but this hasn't caused the price of housing to drop because this hasn't translated into more available houses (because of aforementioned hoarding) and because of commodification of housing.
After this I'm gonna give up, and be sad that people didn't pay attention in maths because they "weren't going to use it" ☹️
