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[–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

...huh? this was last year. it's not decided on yet, mainly because they have yet to provide a definition of "honest living". the only news from this week was that they want it to work retroactively, which basically every lawyer instantly struck down. it could make it fail even harder.

Edit: nevermind it being from this week, state media reported on it at the end of january. the term to look up, for those interested, is the swedish for "non-honest living": "bristande vandel"

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Goes into effect in July according to the article.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

the article is wrong, it's not been debated yet. it's been put forward by the government but hasn't passed the riksdag. it's expected to go into effect in july because new laws in sweden always go into effect in january or july.

Edit: also note that the bill runs contrary to the findings of the committee formed to investigate the possibility, which means support will not be unanimous within the government coalition.

[–] thesdev@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It has plenty of time to pass, the new citizenship laws are also slated to start going into effect on national day (June 6th) even though they've not passed yet. Passing the Riksdag ia a formality when the government has a majority.

which means support will not be unanimous within the government coalition.

Wrong conclusion if you ask me.

[–] Pip@feddit.org 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Good that they are no longer turning a blind eye to those who abuse the system. It's really infuriating to migrants who are just normal residents and citizens.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Why should they "turn a blind eye" to non-migrants who do not follow an "honest living"?

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They shouldn't. With regards non-migrants who only have Swedish citizenship deportation isn't an option, but jail or fines presumably is.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Why isn't deportation an option? And if jails or fines are a sufficient deterrent for citizens, why not for non-citizens?

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They're totally going to apply this to Swedes too, right? It's not just an excuse to apply the law unequally to a hated minority based on a false racist pretext, right? Right?

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Only applies to residence permits from what I can tell. So if you're a citizen, the rule won't affect you. It would include naturalized citizens I think.

[–] alleycat@feddit.org 5 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

“If, for example, you ignore paying your debts, if you don’t comply with decisions from Swedish authorities, if you cheat the benefits system, if you cheat your way to a Swedish residence permit... then you do not have the right to be here,” Forssell said.

Other examples the government cited as examples included working without paying taxes or not paying fines.

"Just don't be poor."

“Statements -- that is, things a person says or expresses -- should not in themselves be regarded as evidence of lack of honest living, but they may be an indication of, for example, links to violent extremism, which can then be a sign of deficient character,” Ludvig Aspling, migration policy spokesman for the anti-immigration Sweden Democrats which is propping up the government, told reporters.

Absolutely dystopian.

[–] DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz 18 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Nah man, I'm poor as fuck right now, I barely make minimum wage, but I properly file my taxes and you know what? Because the system in my country is good, I don't have to break the bank to do so either.

Fraud, debt evasion, tax evasion etc are not a consequence of poverty and instead do affect all other people who do things right. You can't benefit from tax money and from the system if you're actively cheating it.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 2 hours ago

Fraud, debt evasion, tax evasion etc are not a consequence of poverty

Except poverty is the single best predictor for crime. Also laws like these can be and are used in combination with purposely obtuse laws and bureaucratic barriers to harass immigrants who didn't do anything wrong. The debts thing in particular reminds me of Japan, where paying a bill late for any reason (even if it's not your fault) can be used as reason to deny PR and give shorter visas. You should question the motivations of politicians more.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

Imagine thinking US tax dollars impact people doing the right thing. If you mean using their own tax dollars to make them poorer & bombing innocent people maybe.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 hours ago

Poor people have a smaller tax burden for their socialized healthcare. "Don't pay taxes" isn't a "poor" thing.

[–] Pip@feddit.org 19 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Please stop equating being poor with being fraudulent and criminal. The list of fraudulent behavior has nothing to do with being poor.

And fighting violent extremism is in no way dystopian.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 hours ago

"The law in its majestic equality forbids both the poor and the rich from sleeping under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread."

- Anatole France

In the Netherlands, there was a massive scandal a few years back where the government had declared thousands of migrants to be fraudulent based on an automated system that used their ethnicity as sufficient cause, driving those people into debt and forcing many to work illegally to avoid homelessness.

Please develop some class consciousness. They will come for you too when the exploitation of those below you no longer satisfies their lust for power.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 2 hours ago

And fighting violent extremism is in no way dystopian.

Violent extremism like checks notes opposing Israeli colonialism. See: Germany.

[–] doleo@lemmy.one 2 points 3 hours ago

And fighting violent extremism is in no way dystopian.

Sweden going to cut ties with the USA, then?

Lol are you swedish?