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[–] plantmoretrees@lemm.ee 23 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Gun control would make so much more sense if we treated guns like vehicles.

Want to drive a car?

New driver?

Pass a test, and get a provisianal license to operate safely with experienced users in your company.

Test to prove proficiency, ensure you don’t have any restrictive health issues that could impact your safe operation of the unit, validate your insurance coverage and you get a standard operators permit.

Need to use the big equipment?

Take some additional safety courses, beef up your insurance and prove you can handle it - with regular check ins and enhanced supervision and you get a commercial license.

Want to do something different, like the gun equivalent of a motorcycle? Another test and license endorsement to use.

Main theory - you can have anything you want but agree to prove and maintain proficiency and be mentally and physically able to operate it. Regular check ins to ensure your abilities do not wain and annual registration.

This is not crazy. If it works for cars, semi trucks, motorcycles etc - it should work for deadly weapons.

And remember, we have handicapped drivers, we have people on probationary permits etc, breathalyzer start switches, etc …..there are lots of places for reasonable accommodations to the infringed and those with limited or restricted capacity.

But to just turn the keys of a semi truck with a double trailer over to 16 year old with near sighted vision?

They’d say you are crazy.

But anyone of legal age can walk in, grab an AR-15 and disappear into the woodwork for the rest of their lives with capacity for mass assault and no one does anything about it.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago

A lot of countries do this and it works. Japan has a variant of this which, while certainly not perfect, is the reason when Abe was assassinated the dude had to basically DIY his own blunderbuss rather than being able to just unload.

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[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 188 points 5 days ago (4 children)

They’ll need it for the civil war

[–] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 79 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Or...this is just another cynical ploy to appeal to the right, since they seem incapable of moving left on any subject.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 41 points 5 days ago

It's because the politicians want the people to protect them, after they have consistently failed to protect the people.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't think so. It happened in the Hawaii state legislature. They don't run on the same incentives over there.

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[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It's because it's not the issue, nor should time be wasted on that right now. We can argue policy later. We need to unite and get the traitor out of office

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I completely disagree with banning rifles and pistols. However, I am all for intensive background checks, psychological tests, firearm classes and tests, mandatory storage safety with inspections and licensing classifications depending on what you want to buy. The Europeans do this correctly and the US allows lunatics to own firearms.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Those will be used against letting leftist get guns.

[–] Brandonazz@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"If you've smoked weed in the last 5 years or have Trump Derangement Syndrome, I'm afraid I can't sell this to you."

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 days ago

We joke, but Ronald Reagan signed California's gun control laws because the Black Panthers had guns and minorities having guns scares conservatives

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

mandatory storage safety with inspections

Here in the U.S. our Constitution prohibits the government from performing searches of people's homes with first having probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and a warrant to search their home that has been signed by a judge. Const. Amend. IV.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well the Republicans are public stating they plan on erasing everyone who isn't white so yeah stay strapped

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 days ago

Great point. When the country has fallen to fascism is not the time to implement gun control.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 97 points 5 days ago (16 children)

This is one thing I hate about democrats. They barely swing a few undecided voters and throw it all away by bringing up an item that many undecided voters take as a single-issue subject.

Gun issues are a losing topic.

Focus efforts on anything else (healthcare, housing, etc) and gun violence will drop.

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 59 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I hate seeing articles like this because it tees you, the commenter, up for assuming that the entire DNC decided to drop their gun control policy.

This is just for Hawaii. Hawaii voted against this.

Newsweek is such a dogshit source to be talking about in forums and threads because they write everything assuming that Democrats are a perfectly unified group, all with identical motivations, reasoning, and agendas. We know they're not, but NW can show you a ding in a shoulder plate, and tell you the entire suit of armor is equally vulnerable.

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[–] MSids@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Totally agree. Gun issues need to be off the table entirely until sanity has returned to government. Dems need to focus on making normal government operations and improving living standards as exciting as the threat of taking over Canada.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

So good to see more people understanding this. Spend the political capital on shit that will actually reduce our violence, vs virtue signaling to a ever shrinking group of anti-2a voters.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Funny how providing people with the things they need stops violence.

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[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 58 points 5 days ago (2 children)

So the media again is helping stir the pot. When you use vague language like "assault-style" weapons, it makes it open to wide interpretation as to what an "assault-style" weapon is. You. the reader, are assuming and envisioning the AR-15, the AK-47 but it can also include semi-automatic hand guns or some types of shotguns. If you want to put a ban on something quit tip toeing and define the weapons you want to ban and their variants using specific language such as semi-automatic rifle, fully-automatic rifle, barrel length, etc. They should also quit banning by cosmetics to define "assault-style" weapons. You can easily change your fully-automatic rifle to look like a Nerf gun (fully automatics are illegal anyway). Here's a bit more on the term:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

People should actually read the laws on the books and quit relying on the media or their politicians to do the reading for them. They may find there's already several bans on "assault-style" weapons because specific language is used. People should also focus on the loopholes instead and campaign to get those closed. Politicians won't do it so long as the NRA keeps shoving cash into their pockets.

[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 8 points 5 days ago (5 children)

What in hell is an "assault pistol" please ?

I think we all stopped charging the enemy waving a pistol during WW1 didnt we ? This feels like something from a Blackadder episode.

It's referenced in the newsweek article. I read the wiki which says Hawaii have defined it, but the wiki links dont actually go to a definition.

The vast majority of pistols sold are semi auto, and they all have a pistol grip which, as I understand it are 2 of the main characteristics used to define assault weapon in the US

Confused foreigner.

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[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you want to put a ban on something quit tip toeing and define the weapons you want to ban and their variants using specific language such as semi-automatic rifle, fully-automatic rifle, barrel length, etc

That's how you get weird-ass weapons designed specifically to work around the law though. E.g in Russia they regulate harder any weapon that has rifling on more than half of the barrel (otherwise it's considered a hunting shotgun iirc), so of course there are tons of Russian civilian weapons that are basically military stuff with shitty rifling and locked to semi auto

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 7 points 5 days ago (6 children)

It does turn into a game of "one-up" but this is why you get actual weapons experts to advise on the language of the law and not business owners and lawyers who have no idea what a gun is other than it makes them a lot of money or its scary.

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[–] EstonianGuy@lemm.ee 44 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Well yeah, they might need those guns to topple fascists…

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

In that case, let's ban them

  • Republicans most likely
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[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago

Smart move.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

rEaChInG aCrOsS tHe AiSlE

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 33 points 5 days ago

A gun control measure in Hawaii failed by a narrow vote this week, after several state Democrats crossed the aisle to vote against it.

The defeat of Senate Bill 401, which sought to ban assault-style rifles in the state, shows an unexpected division in a party typically unified on gun control.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Hawaii state Senator Joy Buenaventura, who is typically a supporter of gun control measures, said the bill would criminalize existing owners of assault rifles, per Hawaii News Now.

She said: "Now, by their mere possession, because we decide to pass this bill, we decide to label them as criminals and that to me, it's unethical and should not be tolerated by this body."

However, Senate Judiciary chair Karl Rhoads disagreed with this take on the bill saying it allowed for "grandfathering."

Sooo... which is it?

But yeah. Obviously America should do this.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

YUP. Seems like an important contradiction where a good journalist could then go to the bill text and determine which one of them is lying.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 6 points 4 days ago

Says it "allows" for grandfathering, so I bet they pick & choose who's a criminal and who gets a pass.

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