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That's a good thing to know about!
Yes there is. Kagi is probally the most well known I can think of, and even that still uses Google and Bing as secondary sources.
The biggest barriers is data/context. The biggest being the primary index.
Google has a lot of web scrapers/indexers and also offers hosting platforms. They also partner with big hosting companies for index trees to be able to easily show web sites reliably AND have been around for years finding it.
This is sadly also one of the primary damages that AI is currently doing to the internet field, because not only is it decreasing web traffic for web hosts due to AI summaries and searches, but it's also forcing web hosts to have to block or restrict indexers. Which is making it even harder to establish search platforms. Because these same agents are abusing the user agent system to try to pretend that it's a normal indexer, so web hosts are faced with either having their platform spammed so many bot traffic that it takes their website down, or block indexers, which means that they don't appear in web searches. It's a lose lose.
Thanks for this. Its very detailed. I heard abt Kagi but I thought it was a meta search engine, thanks for the clarification.
Thanks for letting me know about the barriers ad well and the current damage ai companies are doing. Hopefully, we'll think of something to beat back the ai companies and Google
Kagi has independent indexes.
Kagi Search Sources( source ):
Kagi is known for delivering a unique flavor of high-quality search results, sourced from our own web index (internally named "Teclis") and news index (internally named "TinyGem"). Kagi's indexes provide distinctive results that help you discover non-commercial websites and engage with "small web" discussions surrounding a particular topic.
We don't stop there; we are always trying new things to surface relevant, high-quality results. For example, we recently launched the Kagi Small Web initiative, which showcases content from personal blogs and discussions around the web. Discovering high-quality content written without the motive of financial gain gives Kagi's search results a unique flavor and makes it feel more humane to use.
Our search results also include anonymized API calls to all major search result providers worldwide, specialized search engines like Marginalia, and sources of vertical information such as Wolfram Alpha, Apple, Wikipedia, Open Meteo, Yelp, TripAdvisor, and other APIs. Typically, every search query on Kagi will call a dozen or so different sources simultaneously, all with the purpose of bringing the best possible search results to the user in a split second.
Our unique algorithms down-rank pages with a lot of ads and trackers (which we have found correlate with a decrease in content quality) and promote content from independent, ad-free sources and personal websites. This ensures that Kagi shows results that delight users and are worth paying for. Subscriptions from our members pay for search results, allowing Kagi to remain ad-free and 100% privacy-respecting.
Yeah. I just... it costs too much. I can't justify it, even though I tried. It should be 1000/mo. for $3. That I would pay.
I think the best model would be that you top up an account and pay some small amount per search. That's also a bit more transparent, and directly linked to use
Your search engine in a very real way is your internet. Nearly everything you see online starts there.
If you aren't paying for it, someone else is. And the reason they're paying, is to make sure you get the internet they want; Not the one you want. If you want the internet be be what you want, you have to be the one to pay for it.
I don't know where you live, but in most of the developed world $10 is roughly the cost of a single lunch. Not even a fancy one. What's worth more to you? An inexpensive lunch? Or making sure the internet you see in your search, is the one you want to see, instead of what someone else wants you to see?
I think part of why the internet sucks now is we’ve grown accustomed to too much for free.
The $10 I spend on Kagi is the best subscription I have, and one of the only ones I still keep.
Ecosia at least partially uses the European Search Perspective (EUSP) search index which they develop in collaboration with Qwant.
Well, you gotta index the whole internet
Before you can make an apple pie from scratch. Or something.
I've not used it, but have heard decent things about Kagi, a paid search engine. Supposedly, it finds things like how old Yahoo or old Google worked, without AI (but is optionally available?), and no ads.
I would think the major barrier to entry is the business model: ad revenue goes to those that can deliver results. Google AdSense has dominated that realm for years, so it would take a major upfront investment to challenge them on that. Not much different than how it's hard to compete with established airlines to a particular airport that they already serve. Economies of scale tend towards consolidation.
yandex maybe, i think mojeek is also independent