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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

The thing was in TOS that kiss, in-universe, was no biggie. In DS9 with all the gender and sexuality shifts in the Trill scenario, it again just 'was'. When it was a big deal, it was some alien culture being backwards and the Federation being an example of doing it right.

STD was oddly self-congratulatory. "First ever non-binary character in trek!" they proclaim as people were able to respond with just so many examples of previous non-binary characters. The character despite being a human, being on Earth, had to make a big deal of "coming out" and a big outpouring of support in-universe to balance out the trepidation of coming out. Which should have just been a very mundane scenario, you want the character to be non-binary, fine, they are, people will be respectful but it will be a boring mundane fact rather than some big deal.

Yes, there are those that are flipping out over too much representation that are done consistently with star trek. Probably the most fair point was that someone probably wouldn't be out of shape, but by that logic, Picard shouldn't have been bald, so....

[–] WandowsVista@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

is it true that the kiss was originally supposed to be between Spock and Uhura, but Shatner refused to be upstaged so he had them rewrite it to be with him?

either way, good point, somewhat problematic author.

broken clocks, eh?

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Naw. It was originally written for Kirk and Uhura, but when the NBC executives found out they were worried it would offend TV stations in the south. The idea of having Uhura and Spock kiss was brought up because Spock is half-vulcan (which NBC thought racists would find less offensive???), but Shatner insisted that they stick the original script (perhaps out of ego, perhaps out of artistic integrity, who knows). Eventually NBC ordered that two versions of the scene be shot - one with the kiss and one without. Shatner intentionally flubbed every single take of the non-kiss version to force the executives' hands. It wasn't the first interracial kiss on televion, but it was the first instance of a scripted kiss between a white man and a black woman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_and_Uhura's_kiss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hKKkGhEDoU

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 0 points 2 months ago

It’s a silver lining to see Shatner using his platform for the greater good.

[–] gurty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Agreed. People should dislike modern Star Trek for it’s bad writing, not because it’s progressive.

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Trek writing has never been consistently good. Half of TOS is unwatchably bad. TNG sucks until Riker gets more hair. DS9 sucks until Sisko gets less hair. Voyager's all over the place (even though it's my favorite). Enterprise is mostly bad. Only the even numbered TOS movies are good. Only the first two TNG movies are good.

I say this with a genuine love of Star Trek, but the quality of the writing has varied greatly over each individual series.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The best progressive writing Trek did was when they addressed a social issue by having the actors pretend it wasn't an issue at all.

Uhura was a bridge officer who was a black woman, and nobody cared or even noticed because in-universe there was nothing special about that.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I like how in Discovery a character came out as non-binary and everyone is like "ok cool" and that was that and it was never brought up again (because why would it be)?

You can tell by the absolute meltdown conservative spaces had about that five second clip that it was absolutely the right thing to do.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It got there, sure, but that coming out was a bit rough, because they treated it as a "big deal", they were afraid of coming out and ultimately did, but seemed to harbor anxiety that should have not had a place anymore. They got over it (I assume, I actually kind of lost track of Discovery), but at one point it was too big a deal.

Also, out of universe, they were a bit annoying about bragging about being the first non-binary representation in Star Trek ever, which just seems disrepectful of the times it came up before.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

It would be a big deal for someone to only come out as nonbinary when they're old enough to be an ensign on a starship. How many times in high school did they say "No, I'm not nonbinary, I'm just a girl"? How many times did they insist to their parents on getting a girly thing because they wanted to fit in with a feminine friend group?

Social anxiety is always a valid emotion, even if you know the society is progressive enough that it isn't really a big deal.