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[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I thought of a few stupid things, but everyone talking about kids made me think of this one.

I am strongly against Trickle down suffering.

"I put up with this terrible thing when I was your age, and even though we could stop it from happening to anyone, it's important that we make YOU suffer through it too."

Hazing, bullying, unfair labor laws, predatory banking and more. It's really just the "socially acceptable" cycle of abuse.

[–] phanto@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

I agree, and I take it this far: "I worked hard and paid for my house, why should some lazy loafer get housing for free? I paid 24,000$ in tuition, why should kids get free college?" I think that, at some point, one guy has to be the first guy to benefit from progress, and all the people who didn't benefit just have to suck it up. I would 100% pay a much higher tax rate if it meant that homelessness was gone, hunger was gone, kids got free education... I'm Canadian, so I don't need to say this about health care. Yeah, I paid an awful lot of mortgage, but if someone else gets a free house? Good!

[–] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Strongly agree. Someone has to break the cycle of abuse, it's wrong to contribute to the cycle so that it can continue harming others in the future.

Edit, one example that comes to mind is the extremely long shifts in the medical field in America. One guy who was really good at being a doctor happened to be someone who voluntarily took on very long hours. Now there is this persistent mindset that every medical worker must accept long hours and double shifts without notice and without complaints.

There are a few cases where it benefits the patient to avoid handing off the case to another doctor, but generally it just limits the pool of people who are willing to go into the medical field, and limits the career length and lifespan of the people who do go for it.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I sort of disagree. Some pain and suffering is what helps some people become better versions of themselves. Doesn't work for everyone though, so it shouldn't be the default experience, but rather a last resort.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not pain and suffering that you admire its perseverance. You can have one without the other.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Perseverance against what if not pain?

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The fact that this is your reply goes to show you need to learn more.

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[–] lgmjon64@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Yes, facing adversity does build resilience. However, creating adversity for another just because YOU had to face it is wrong. I had a professor who called our career a "brotherhood of suffering" and would purposely create artificial stumbling blocks and make things more difficult because he had the same done to him. It's perpetrating a cycle of abuse. I've now gotten to the point where I've taught in university and in the hospital and I try to break that cycle. It's still a very difficult path, the content and pace are still taxing. Many still don't make it to graduation, why make it harder then it needs to be?

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the "poverty builds character" argument that's often used to justify poverty.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Nah mate, it's the "rich ppl need to experience poverty in order to empathize" argument.

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

Absolute free speech is overrated. You shouldn’t be able to just lie out your ass and call it news.

The fact that the only people who had any claim against Fox for telling the Big Lie was the fucking voting machine company over lost profits tells you everything you need to know about our country

[–] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

The pay rate of the lowest paid worker of any company or institution should be somehow legally and directly tied to the pay rate of the highest paid executive.

If the executive wants to make more money and gets a raise, then so do the workers.

[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Mine: Kids are pretty great, actually. They are smarter than you think and can make sense of a lot of stuff you wouldnt expect them to. You should treat their thoughts and feelings with the same respect that you would give an adult.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you look at the facts kids are leaning towards progress. Less underage sex, less drug and alcohol use, and women are more educated then ever. Boys are starting to lag though:/.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unpopular Opinion: Kids are great? get off the stage

[–] HotCoffee@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

U should lurk more lemmy comments. Mfers here really are anti children

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Stealing is OK, the ok-ness of the stealing is inversely proportional to the wealth of the person you steal from.

If you steal 100 dollars from someone who only has 1000 dollars, that's reprehensible, but if you can nick a few million off a billionaire fucking go for it.

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Killing yourself is ok. You don't know what it's like to be them and be in their head.

I'll never do it. Even in darkest depths, but respect anyone's right to say peace out.

[–] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It’s okay to call stupid people stupid to their face - them, their ideas, whatever it is that they’re doing dumb. In the U.S. we’ve gone too far over on the “tolerate all people and their views” which has allowed fascism and MAGAts to gain far too much power - putting idiots in their place is (or at least would have been) the best way put it back where it belongs.

[–] wattanao@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think there's a difference between not calling someone an idiot and tolerating their bad ideas and actions though. I agree people need to be stopped, and not tolerated, but when the only answer is insulting them with various names like idiot or nazi, all that ends up happening is they keep their toxic and destructive ideas hidden from the public, and then band with others labelled idiot and nazi, until they feel comfortable in a group to express their rhetoric without fear.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

At which point you make such groups illegal and start investigating and prosecuting, officially and not.

Yeah, I know that won't get us to a state of educated well-meaning humanity caring for all life. But I can't deny seeing some assholes getting their own medicine will make me smile for some time

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Being "proud" of your acheivements is fine.

Being "proud" of your country or your state or your football team that you're not a member of,or your ethnicity is douchebaggery.

[–] Misseuse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I think individualism has gone too far. We pander too much to each person’s individual rights, and not each person’s individual responsibilities. I’m not talking about human rights here, I’m not talking about labour rights or any of the genuinely important stuff.

I’m talking about the self important experiences of the individual. The idea that someone has the right to believe whatever they want without responsibility to those around them. The most obvious answer is anti-vaxxers that spread literal lies. Whatever about vaccine hesitancy when there is legitimate peer reviewed medical potential for harm, there are levels of hesitancy. But when it goes to the point of fabricating data and spreading lies that will ultimately only cause harm to society, then in that case I’m ok with those people having any free speech rights voided, including full legal culpability for the harm it causes, akin to medical terrorism.

Where established data shows that people are contributing harm to society, contradicting scientifically proven data, and a person deliberately continues to spread misinformation when they are informed that they are causing harm, then they clearly do not care for the protection of the community, they should have forego societal protections for themselves, rights to free speech, rights to own property, and where necessary incarceration. If you’re in a position of power/authority or have specific training in the field, then you should face exponentially greater legal consequences for this deliberate harm.

Many people may agree with the general principles of this sentiment but as a society we are not ready to have that conversation, because the first person to be locked up would trigger a mass protest not widespread agreement. All because we have permitted individualism to far overpower the importance of collectivism. Rights should not be absolute they should always be coupled to responsibilities. Even if that responsibility is simply not to cause deliberate harm to others.

And the idea that someone’s beliefs about reality are somehow important to uphold. That the person above believes they are not doing harm, despite being told otherwise, that this idea should hold any weight in court is wrong. People should be informed of their ignorance and measurable reality is the only true reality that should be taken into account . Just like ignorance of the law is not a defence, ignorance of reality should not be a defence.

If a person is spreading misinformation that causes harm, they should be served a legal notice that outlines that they have been “judged to have been causing harm to society by spreading information that is adjudicated as false and harmful by an sanctioned and independently operated committee, whose ruling has been further agreed upon by a plurality of specialist training bodies in the relevant field. The only entities who contradict this societally important and data derived ruling are those that mean harm to society or those without the relevant knowledge base to make any informed statements on the matter. As of this point you will be treated as the former now that you have been served notice that the information you are spreading is factually incorrect and harmful. If you continue to spread this misinformation you sacrifice a portion or all of your rights afforded to you by this society. Your assets can be seized, you may be incarcerated, and your access to any and all communication with other humans may be partially or entirely withheld. This is a measure to combat information terrorism.”

Civil liberties are a privilege not an inalienable right.

You might think this sounds dystopian but it’s my answer to your question. Obviously it needs baked in failsafes to stop a small few individuals from corrupting it for authoritatian abuse. But just because something could be hypothetically abused doesn’t make it a bad idea. You just need to insulate against the abuse.

[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

Suicide shouldn't be illegal. If you've tried treatments and seen a therapist for years but just want out - you should be able to schedule a day to be put to sleep.

I think its immoral not to give people a dignified way out.

There is no utility in punishment. Wanting people who wronged you to suffer isn't a desire for justice, but a desire for revenge. Dangerous people can be stopped from hurting others without locking them in cages or treating them poorly.

[–] anon_most@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Open borders. I strongly believe in open borders as a moral imperative. Human beings have been migrating for survival, resources, and exploration for over 20,000 years. The concept of nation-states imposing constraints on movement is a modern invention that doesn't align with the inherent human need for freedom of mobility. People in the southwestern states of the US with Mexican roots will tell you "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us."

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago

Housing as an investment is wrong.

The price of basic human needs should not be tied to the rise and fall of the stock market, nor should ones retirement depend on the hyper inflated values of houses. 500K+ for a small house is absolute price gouging bullshit, regardless of location.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I treat all people with religious beliefs as members of a dormant terrorist cell.

They could be your nice neighbor with whom you can interact normally on a day-to-day basis, but in the end they all have compromised against logic and, in the right conditions, that is a terrible liability.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 points 3 months ago
  • The illusion that we are "rational" has done more damage than good, and if we were to just embrace that emotions are not just real, but a stronger influence on people's behaviour (and therefore reality) than any facts, we might start getting somewhere as a species.
[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

Ideally children should be raised by more than two people.

[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

The stock market should be illegal in all countries. Its basically a legalized gambling ponzii scheme.

Retirement also shouldn't be tied to this type of system.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I think immigration laws are inherently a violation of universal human rights. What is a more basic expression of freedom and liberty than being able to choose where in the world to build your life?

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Simply being family doesn't mean you get to remain in my life. Cut off anyone who is toxic or otherwise not good for your life and health. This includes parents.

After a decade it is still surprising to me how many people seem appalled by my no contact situation. I'm sorry, but I've wasted enough of my life on them and wishing for a fantasy dynamic that will never exist.

"But they're your blood..."

So what.

"But they're your family..."

No they're not. I made new family.

Some people have really judged me for this decision. I judge others as they complain about their toxic families they never do anything about.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Circumcision is multilation

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Your feelings are not facts.

Being offended, doesn't mean you're in the right and the other person is in the wrong.

Just because your religion says something (or claims it does), doesn't put you in the right.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

unpopular moral take: All religions are absurd cop outs and you should choose your own model for how to be a good person.

[–] bunkyprewster@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

The free movement of people is a human right!

Note that capital is free to go whatever it wants to.

[–] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

If you cannot cook yourself a basic meal (I'm talking boil water, dump a box of pasta in, cook it, strain it, then add red sauce from a jar level of basic), you have failed as a human being. An adult using the whole excuse of "I just can't cook" is pathetic and inexcusable unless you have genuine mental incapacities that prevent you from learning a basic recipe and how to use a stovetop, especially now with access to the internet/videos teaching how to cook.

[–] Waldelfe@feddit.org 0 points 3 months ago

We need stricter social rules again in a lot of areas and children need to be brought up stricter again. Now I don't mean we should get back to being in other people's business in regards to what they wear or who they love. But let's go back to shunning people for littering. Teach kids to sit still and be quiet in certain spaces like public transport or restaurants. Ostracize people who are loud and disruptive in public. Let's just implement some stricter social rules again.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

That capitalism is good. There is no economic system more efficient at progress

It’s government that’s the failure. It’s Governments responsibility to shape the markets so capitalism benefits society and they have failed miserably

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[–] CybranM@feddit.nu 0 points 3 months ago

That cats should remain indoors. Pet cats kill approximately 2.4 billion birds in the US alone, not to mention all the other animals that they also kill. I love cats as much as the next guy but keep them indoors for the love of nature

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