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The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping

holy fuck lmao

Lemmy.ml is largely made up of communists, who support the working classes holding state authority, rather than capitalist states where authoritarian control is in the hands of the tiny capitalist class over the working classes. State authority isn't independent of class struggle, but is a product of it, and as such all states are "authoritarian," but it's far better for the working classes to hold that. And for what it's worth, Iran is supported against the west and Israel, not as a socialist state.

As for your post body, a number of claims you made are lies.

Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks.

Incorrect, the UN estimates ~3100 total deaths. Western press made up the 30,000 figure at the behest of the CIA/Mossad to help foment regime change before their invasion.

The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping.

No? Do you really think a landmass that large would do something like that? There was a wall in Berlin, but that was just as much to keep West Germans out, as the Cold War had tons of spies on both sides.

China censors the internet.

Not really a problem, it's a good thing western spyware like Facebook isn't allowed, and VPNs are plentiful.

China wants to eliminate Islam.

No? China has freedom of religion.

The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

It's the opposite. Socialist countries have flaws and real problems, but the genocidal western empire is the biggest obstacle holding human progress back. They plunder the global south, are obliterating Palestine, and are all surging to the rightas the empire falls.

Wait... Do you think the Iron curtain was a literal iron wall?

On paper, Karl Marx is correct, but greedy leaders abused it and communism failed. Similar problems are occurring under capitalism leading which will eventually lead to it's demise.

They do it for the same reasons you vehemently defend Israel and their genocide of the Palestinians.

Well I can't speak for others, but I'm on lemmy.ml because the instance says it's "A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy's developers". And in my experience that pretty much checks out, for all the talk I see from others about how it's a den of authoritarianism and whatnot the actual amount of that I see on the actual instance is minimal. Yeah moderation sucks sometimes, but so it does on most every other instance though. Their approach to defederation seems to be avoiding it, and I don't have to see any Nazi stuff or shit like that, so I'm good for now. Pick your poison.

The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

Well if you look a bit closer at the history of the cold war you will find that "the West", mostly in the form of the CIA, destroyed a lot of nascent communist or even just social democratic governments worldwide through covert means, and sometimes even militarily. In the face of such a threat you are basically forced to become even more authoritarian, if you want your communist government to survive that is. So "the West" instituted a process of selection through political (and military) pressure if you will. Hence why there are no surviving liberal communist states left to discuss.

Anyway, I don't think there is much of consensus here on lemmy.ml whether these countries are good or bad (or even something more nuanced). What I think often happens is that someone voices "critical support", as in they say something like "Iran has a right to self-defence" although they don't agree with everything else Iran does, and someone from another instance comes along to read it and confirmation-biases that into "typical lemmy.ml user, fully supports that theocratic regime".

I mean just look at the straw man you build in your OP, supposedly I'm supporting the Islamic regime in Iran, and the anti-Islamic regime in China!? Bit of a stretch there mate...

Tiny penis syndrome.