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Many people on lemmy.ml deeply respect and admire authoritarian governments and organizations.

Iran, China, North Korea, Soviet Union...

The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

Iran hangs homosexuals. Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks. The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping. The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion. China censors the internet. China wants to eliminate Islam. North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.

Why is lemmy.ml so fascinated with authoritarians?

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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

I can't speak for everyone, but a lot of people have learned to just ignore many reports from international news organizations about anything, since those same organizations routinely repeat the US government's released data, which has been filtered by international conglomerates with their own interests.

This is because those claims are often found to be untrue or wildly exaggerated after the dust settles.

That skepticism is the result of decades of "fake news" leading to a general doubt of any claim as a baseline.

...and that's just for starters.

So, first, you must agree on what the truth is with sources that you can trust. Good luck.

I've read that Iran killed 30,000 people, but can't read Arabic or know the context of images I have seen, and this could be true, however, given the track record of US media, I would consider the number to be wildly exaggerated just as a matter of course.

Also, I know that even IF it is true, that Iran has killed 30,000 protestors, the "good guys" can't stop Iran and "win one for democracy and human civilization" without murdering many magnitudes more.

Anyway, I want to read about the IRON WALL the USSR built to stop people from escaping, please share

(not a tankie, and I think Muslims and all other religions should pay the same taxes as everybody else, which they consider to be a wild affront to their dignity)

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping

holy fuck lmao

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 34 minutes ago (1 children)

? I mean it's a true statement...

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 minutes ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago) (1 children)

you really think the Soviet Union made a literal wall out of iron all along its border to keep people inside? you think they built a really big metal wall all along their ~60,000km land borders? 3 times as long as the Great Wall of China?

are you perhaps confusing this with the berlin wall? or do you think the phrase "the Iron Curtain" was meant very very literally?

[–] quips@slrpnk.net 1 points 7 minutes ago

Obviously the guy isn’t a native speaker

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 8 points 2 hours ago

Wait... Do you think the Iron curtain was a literal iron wall?

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

On paper, Karl Marx is correct, but greedy leaders abused it and communism failed. Similar problems are occurring under capitalism leading which will eventually lead to it's demise.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Socialism hasn't failed. The soviet union may no longer be here, but socialism still is a working mode of production. The problems of capitalism are entirely different from those found in socialist countries.

[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I mean he was stil right. Any plan or system is subject to good faith execution. If political leaders lie and steal, it doesn't matter how sound the poltical framework is.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 54 minutes ago)

Lemmy.ml is largely made up of communists, who support the working classes holding state authority, rather than capitalist states where authoritarian control is in the hands of the tiny capitalist class over the working classes. State authority isn't independent of class struggle, but is a product of it, and as such all states are "authoritarian," but it's far better for the working classes to hold that. And for what it's worth, Iran is supported against the west and Israel, not as a socialist state.

As for your post body, a number of claims you made are lies.

Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks.

Incorrect, the UN estimates ~3100 total deaths. Western press made up the 30,000 figure at the behest of the CIA/Mossad to help foment regime change before their invasion.

The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping.

No? Do you really think a landmass that large would do something like that? There was a wall in Berlin, but that was just as much to keep West Germans out, as the Cold War had tons of spies on both sides.

China censors the internet.

Not really a problem, it's a good thing western spyware like Facebook isn't allowed, and VPNs are plentiful. Censorship isn't willy-nilly, it's largely the internet equivalent of industrial protectionism.

China wants to eliminate Islam.

No? China has freedom of religion.

Watching anime is a crime.

No it isn't, lol.

The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

It's the opposite. Socialist countries have flaws and real problems, but the genocidal western empire is the biggest obstacle holding human progress back. They plunder the global south, are obliterating Palestine, and are all surging to the rightas the empire falls.

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 13 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

They do it for the same reasons you vehemently defend Israel and their genocide of the Palestinians.

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