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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Socialists don't hate markets, they hate workers not having any power or democratic choice in how they interact in the market.

Workers owning the means of production just means the workers are doing the same work but they are in ownership of the factory and the profits. They will still sell the products they produce in a marketplace.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

I, a socialist, hate markets. They are simplistic and functional artifacts of the available way to pass information.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You literally left Reddit because of what capitalism did to it.

[–] dartos@reddthat.com -1 points 2 years ago

Yeah but capitalism also made reddit great, before making it terrible.

There’s a balance in there somewhere. What we got ain’t it tho.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

middle class between what class and what class? the rich class and the having a great time class?

[–] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Middle class between what

Lmao, this is such a good one

[–] imgonnatrythis@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wtf is an uncorrupt government?

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

All types of governance and economic systems are susceptible to despotism.

It takes a constantly educated and involved population to fight it.

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago

The bias is justified. The left is correct. Markets don't create wealth without necessarily simultaneously creating poverty

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To paraphrase this cool guy named Ernesto: Its not our fault reality is marxist che-si

[–] static_motion@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That guy clearly never heard about the Pareto Principle.

E: fuck yeah, successfully triggered all the hexbear tankies. As fun as poking a wasp nest with a long stick. If only there was an online tankie bug spray equivalent...

[–] MalarchoBidenism@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

If 20% of people own 80% of the land or wealth or whatever in a capitalist country then all that shows is that capitalism produces Pareto distributions. That does not mean Pareto distributions are some universal law of nature nor does it mean that non-capitalist systems are impossible.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Do conservatives on lemmy ever do anything but whine that they're not immediately worshiped for their opinions?