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Same. I noticed that I finally got banned from a few random instances I'd never visited before under my moderation history, and they were all by the same guy who claimed I was an "anti-AI troll" lmao
The most hilarious part to this is I feel so dispassionate about the subject, I can seldom remember what it was I might have commented, and was probably something like "yeah this looks like slop" hahaha
Zoomers and gen x that drank the kool aid. What's worse is they are saying yes to high paying jobs to fuck us all in the ass.
As a member of GenX (1980)...
Yep, that sounds like my peers. Most of them believe the marketing or are at least convinced enough to indulge. The hold-outs are getting more infrequent.
I used to feed AI anything I wrote that I wanted to sound professional to save me time and brain power. Not only do I have no need for that anymore considering I've just accepted that my CS degree was truly a waste of my life, but now I realize I'd encourage the building of data centers so now I'm fully radicalized to never use them
Dude your CS degree is not a waste. AI is just a tool. Anyone who thinks they can replace their staff with it are in for a rude awakening. I understand how much harder it is to get your foot in the door though. Its not permanent though. I remember when "no code" was going to take the jobs. The job just changes a bit.
I've been around long enough to have experienced multiple technologies that were the "end" of programmers and yet they still exist.
As you pointed out, the job changes a bit, but we are still here. When I started, the job was a lot more about compilation. You had to remember exact syntaxes (spelling, letter cases, line continuation, ect) and code optimization. You couldn't just look up a function name or something like a win32 API by typing part of it into your code editor. You couldn't even just go to Google and search because Google and the Internet didn't exist. You had a literal shelf of books next to your desk that were heavily worn and you referenced constantly. Books got handed down from senior programmers to junior programmers. The senior got a new book that wasn't held together by a rubber band and the junior got a stack of pages, often partially glued together by coffee stains, that contained invaluable notes in the margins.
Compilers used to be really dumb. Schooling, blogs, articles, ect, these days are all about "readable code", but for a long time readability wasn't even in the top 10 or 20 things that you thought about. Just getting the damn thing to compile was easily half of your job and time spent. Schooling and articles spent a massive amount of time discussing optimizations and memory usage. Things like "if else" vs "switch", which one was actually better and how you could abuse both. Just in case you were wondering, "switch" was king and the "if else" lovers can get go fuck themselves.
I have seen massive shifts in the industry, and companies will use any excuse to fire everyone useful and eviscerate themselves in the name of short term profits. People used to talk about IBM, HP, Sun, Dell, Compaq, ect, like they talk about Amazon and Facebook now. But those are just brands owned by some new titan that didn't even exist that long ago.
CS will come back, it will be a little different, but new companies will rise from the carcasses of all those that tried to replace developers with ai.
Honestly, given what Facebook is these days, I am more surprised that they still have that many software developers to lay off than I am with the idea that they are laying off people due to AI.
AI (LLMs) is/are a fantastic tool.
But that's what it is, a tool that can make some tasks easier.
It's not world-changing like some tech bros and CEOs think it is because they don't actually understand the technology.
It's also not the apocalypse or The Matrix or Skynet coming to end civilization. It's just a tool.
After the AI bubble bursts, AI will still be there, as a tool for humans to use.
I think it's possible that some of the people you see on Lemmy may have started using AI a little more in their lives and see it for what it is.
You know what's crazy is that everyone has begun rebranding things that existed before AI as AI.
The algorithm summary of a common question in Google results? Now it's AI.
Trello's automation tasks moving items marked as "Done" to archive? Now it's AI✨
It's idiotic lol
Marketing BS. The bad part is all the C-Suites falling for it.
To be fair, given the power consumption it requires, it definitely leans towards civilization ending.
Google at some point also was a great tool. Wikipedia also joins the rankings. LLM chatbots are great but certainly not the primary source of information.
What annoys me is that people began to use them to not to do simple things like writing their own posts about their own things. They began to generate content instead of making it. It is obvious that anything what takes time to be produced, will most certainly be automated once tools are given. But this annoys the hell out of me.
Seeing posts, comments, content generated by LLM, I feel that I am being robbed of artistry, curiosity, interactions with real people. I can automate chats with my family, friends, colleagues, children. But that wont be me. That will be perfect grammar sentence generator, not me - real, tons of mistakes, typos, mostly renting about everything, passionate, bored, funny, witty, dull me.
It saddens me that LLMs are exedcuting (almost?) final blow to a society that is sustaining social media terminal damage.
They began to generate content instead of making it. [...] [This] annoys the hell out of me.
Seeing posts, comments, content generated by LLM, I feel that I am being robbed of artistry, curiosity, interactions with real people.
That is probably the greatest irritation I have with my wife right now. I don't wanna start fights over it, but I also don't make a secret of my disdain that she uses LLMs for her work. I get it, she has to, because her business requires churning out a lot of text quickly to stay competitive and I want her to succeed, but I hate what the internet has come to and I hate that she participates in that race to the bottom.
typos, mostly renting about everything
That is either a wonderful coincidence or a clever joke, but I love it either way.
LLMs are neat, and useful for some things - but as with practically everything in modern society, capitalism is ruining it.
If you ignore or are blissfully unaware of the negatives -- and all the companies behind all the major product lines do their best to hide and minimize them -- then it's easy to find utility. Basically everyone I know IRL actively chooses to use AI for something. Both CRAP (Computer-Rendered Artificial Pictures) and code generation are very common.
When I point out the ethical issues, I am generally dismissed entirely ("they'll fix that" or "my impact is small") or counter with something about quality ("it works now" and "it's getting better"), which I find is beside the point.
code generation
You mean Slopware "Development"?
(I opted to keep the "Development", putting it in quotes as a sarcastic nod to the fact it's no longer actual development)
Sort of. A friend used it to generate some "tests" of questionable quality, a cousin is using it to help her learn and use a DSL (my term, not hers) for interactive tasks for her students, another friend was using it for source code generation, but I don't recall the specific results.
I disagree that it is no longer development, I see LLMs as yet another tool for generating code, and we've had generated "source" code since before C was standardized. I think the any code output by most LLMs is derivative of so many works under so many licenses that it is likely not possible to distribute it at all without violating some copyright and is certainly unacceptable for any Free Software project.; I think this is ethically true even if courts find LLM outputs are not derivative works or not subject to copyright protection at all -- at least as long as copyright protects Disney. But, I know people that are working on a Free Software LLM, and "the Stack" provides enough information that you could provide all the necessary attributions for works derived from it.
While LLM hallucinations are a real concern, they can be less impactful when doing code generation because of all the automated static checks plus the culture of peer-review. But, I also tend to favor languages with static type systems.
I disagree that it is no longer development, I see LLMs as yet another tool for generating code, and we've had generated "source" code since before C was standardized.
Fair. There is a difference between using LLMs to generate boilerplate code customised to your context or provide a starting point if you're stuck on a given problem and struggle to find a different perspective for approaching it, and using it to get around having to do mental work.
My term is intended for the kind of vibe coding where there is little, if any, technical skill involved and people are just letting LLMs slop together code without meaningful code quality assurance. In those cases, I don't think it warrants recognition as development. If it produces workable results, cool. Call it software generation.
Using it as a learning assistant would probably be the most justified use case in my opinion. I have my reservations whether it is suitable for that purpose but I don't know enough about the specific way it is applied to comment on that. If it produces training code that isn't directly published you dodge the legal iffyiness, and if it helps build skills, that solves the "relying on AI makes you unlearn skills" issue.
Can't tell if its the propaganda machine invading, or annoying teenage tech-bros who are detached from reality.
They're both "annoying teenage tech-bros who are detached from reality" and they are spreading propaganda they picked up elsewhere.
I think AI has positives to help people, that being said I think it's out of control currently. I hope the bubble burst soon and we can actually get to a reasonable balance.
Humans are social animals, in the United States especially where people are severely separated- they’ll look for and find any kind of easy access towards social interactions: including but not limited to Chat bots. It’s a sad reality that they would dismiss the negative affects it has on our social brains, dismiss the environmental effects it has on our planet, dismiss the social warmings because they’re too involved with LLMS “AI”.
That’s right, it’s not even AI; it’s only large language models or some agentic systems. Way smaller ones existed in the past, think Dr. Sbaitso (1992) or A.L.I.C.E. (1995.) it’s actually not hard to make a chat bot, just have it echo what the user says with some key phrases. That’s the whole existence of chat bots and today’s current “ai” only they have a LOT more variables that were generated off of huge randomly generated data sets (both off of free open sources and stolen data) and that’s what causes it to hallucinate: it’s the randomness that humans don’t have the ability to change or update simply because it’s such a huge list of variables. It’s so massive people think it’s real intelligence! PEOPLE WERE FOOLED ON 1990’s CHART BOTS TOO! 😭 😂
Anywho we recommend the movies Desk Set, Space Odyssey, pi and even Alphaville. They’re related to the subject and they’re pretty good at pointing out the bruhs.
If people weren't fucking stupid, these scams would eventually stop working.
What's it been, 4 years since NFTs? And AI morons are already falling for this shit.
I lean anti-AI, but comparing generative AI to NFTs is very strange to me. Even if you didn't intend to imply any similarity beyond both being scams, surely generative AI is at least a much more compelling scam.
LLMs can now understand, to some extent, almost any text humans can. They might not be able to reason about it well, but they can at least translate it, summarize it, etc. If you had asked me 10 years ago, I'd have told you there was a near-zero chance of that happening within our lifetimes. NFTs were just "if we put baseball cards on the blockchain, people might buy them because of that same quirk of psychology."
Transformers are like blockchain: an interesting use of mathematical principles to solve certain problems in a novel way, where the hype around that core attracts charlatans and scammers and combinations of the two traits who claim that it will go on to solve totally different problems in such a way as to revolutionize the world we live in.
NFTs were the end of that line for blockchain where the machine started to eat itself. I can see a future, stable use of blockchain in some limited contexts, but cryptobros have always overstated the contexts in which that particular type of digital ledger can be more useful than other types of digital ledgers.
We'll see where the end of the road is for transformers, and what's left at the end. I believe that computer inference will always be useful in some contexts, and that the advances in huge models with absurdly large numbers of parameters have unlocked some previously impractical tasks, but I could also see that settling into a general background existence as just another technological tool for doing things in a world that still looks pretty similar to the world today.
It's usually bots. Unfortunately it's not easy to moderate them, but if a bot is reported, doesn't have a bot flag, and says a bunch of pro-ai stuff in addition to the reported activity it's usually enough evidence to ban. It's just one of their current tells, I wouldn't base a ban only on that though. Report when you suspect them though.
