I was taught to do
- Brackets
- Division and multiplication left to right
- Addition and subtraction left to right
There should be a fucking ISO for this shit tbh
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I was taught to do
There should be a fucking ISO for this shit tbh
Oh christ the math memes are leaking from facebook
BODMAS
I can’t tell if this is trolling or not, but O = Orders lol
You're right but when I was taught this in grade four we were taught Of, I guess Orders was probably a bit above 10 year Olds.
Let me just, ahem
1-2+3/(3+3)×2+3×6/3 = 1-2+3/(3+3)×2+1×6 = 1-2+3/(3+3)×2+6 = 7-2+3/(3+3)×2 = 7-2+3/(6+6) = 7-2+(1/2+1/2) = 5+(1/2+1/2) = 5+1=6
Ahh, yes, DMAMDSBA :P
Let's just say BODMAS/PEMDAS isn't all end-all be-all. They're good, but there's also better
For those interested, see: basic number properties
Use unambiguous notation
The P in PEMDAS just means resolve what's inside the parentheses first. After that, it's just simple multiplication with adjacent terms, and multiplication and division happen together left to right.
6÷2(1+2)
6÷2(3)
3(3)
9
This is actually a generational thing. Millennials were taught “PEMDAS”:
But younger generations have been taught “BEDMAS” instead:
Notably, Division and Multiplication are swapped on PEMDAS and BEDMAS, to make this “both happen at the same time” more straightforward. But that only applies if the entire operation can happen at the same time.
For instance, let’s say 6/2(3) compared to 6÷2(3). At first glance, they both appear to be the same operation. But in the former, the 6 dividend would be over the entire 2(3) divisor. Which means you would need to simplify the divisor (by resolving the multiplication of 2•3) before you divide. So the former would simplify to 6/6=1, while the latter would divide first and become 3(3)=9.
Technically, if you wanted to be completely clear, you would write it using multiple parenthesis as needed. For instance, you would write it as either:
(6÷2)(3)=9 or 6÷(2(3))=1 to avoid the ambiguity. Then it wouldn’t matter if you’re using PEMDAS or BEDMAS.
Usually, no sign before the bracket means juxtaposition. Scientific calculators do account for it (not all, tho), while regular ones may not.
So 2(1+2) is really (2+4)
Compare 2/2x and 2/2×X where x is (1+2)
The first is 2/(2+4)=1/3, the second is (2/2)×(1+2)=3
Basically, either 1 or 9 can be considered correct. And yes, it's ambiguous.
Also, there's no real rule about solving left to right due to associative and commutative properties: 1×2×3 = 1×(2×3) = (1×2)×3 = 3×1×2 = 2×1×3 = 6
would you say the same thing if the division was written out like a line under 2(3) and under that 6
idk how this'll come out but something like this:
2(1+2)
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6
edit : wow i did a formatting thing
edit2: i got it (ish)
In that case, I'd say the answer is 1. Top and bottom are each resolved to the fullest extent possible before dividing top by bottom. It's equivalent to (top)÷(bottom), but it's clearer and preferable if you can easily format that way in my opinion, just harder on a computer.
I think that’s why people are complaining about the division sign.
It’s been decades since I took a math class so I am definitely not the right person to explain things, but I am using technology to confirm my understanding of the various notations:

So yeah, if you put 6 over a denominator of 2(1+2), the answer is different (1) because the equation is different. But if you write it out literally, it would be 6 over 2 times (1+2).
What you wrote swapped the denominator to make it 2(1+2)÷6, which will always be 1.
I guess the joke is that it wasn't an ambiguous expression in the first place and that pedmas/bedmas wasn't the issue, or rather using just it here is the problem?
When you have multiplication expressed as numbers joined without a symbol, that takes precedence at the current layer, where layers are created using brackets, fraction symbols, superscript exponents and concatenated multiplies.
I'm not sure this resolves all ambiguity, but it simplifies the rule to just doing multiplication/division before addition/subtraction. It seems simple enough in my mind, so I'd need to see a counter example if it does break down.
Though I hate how mainstream math problems/puzzles always end up being an order of operations problem, which I'd argue isn't even math but more of a metamath thing. If you're using math to solve a real problem, the correct order of operations will be determined by logic, not any conventions.
Like if it takes you 5 seconds to get in your car and 12 seconds per km traveled, and 5 seconds to get out of your car, if you multiply the 10 seconds to get in or out by the distance, you'll have a wrong answer. It'll always be distance traveled in km times 12 seconds/km plus the 10 seconds, and the math works on the units as well as the numbers to show you did it in a way that makes sense.
I was taught not to write like this so we dont have to deal with this shit 😊
6 2 ÷ 1 2 + ×
Or 6 2 1 2 + × ÷ for Patrick
it's ambiguous
Only if you forget that multiplication happens left to right and that a(b) is simply a different way to write a×b with no other extra steps or considerations. The P in PEMDAS just means resolve what's INSIDE the parentheses first.
That only works if everyone agrees with you, which is clearly not true.
In academic math, there's a thing called juxtaposition. It mostly exists because math people are lazy, so instead of putting parentheses around statement e.g. 5+(2*x) they'll just write 5+2x.
This is fine as long as you know the context of that expression. If you take it out of the context and just ask any person what is the right order of operations - it becomes ambiguous. Because some people know PEMDAS. And other people know that PEMDAS is just a simplification for middle school, when real math notation is messy, non-standard and requires a lot of local domain knowledge.
That's not lazyness. Multiplication is always done before addition. No need for parenthesis for that.
I picked example without confusion on purpose, because most people will generally avoid patterns similar to what OP posted. But if you want something more ambigious:

This is clearly 5/(2 * (a+9)). If we write this the form that the OP uses: 5/2(a+9) - it's fucked beyond all recognition.
I think the issue comes with "division and multiplication", and "addition and subtraction" Here, I see people saying "Brackets/Parenthesis > Division > Multiplication > Subtraction > Addition" when I was taught "Brackets/Parenthesis > Division or multiplication, left to right > Subtraction or addition, left to right"
2x would be the multiplication, as we go left to right you would do the multiplication, then go back and do the addition. In what world would 2x not mean 2 multiplied by the value of x?
Its the cleanest thing ever when people understand the basics of math (like what symbol, or lack there of, means what).
I think it's a little different when you're working with variables. A variable with a coefficient is generally treated more as a single unit compared to two plain constants being operated on in some way. It's an incomplete operation since there's missing information.
It's 9 if you actually understand PEMDAS
I’m guessing confusion is coming from those taking PEMDAS literally as that order? Rather than PE(M|D)(A|S), like it’s supposed to be?
It's also convoluted by the notation of the multiplication. When it's written like this, many assume that you need to resolve that term first since it involves parentheses.
This is how I was taught 30 years ago in highschool
The ÷ symbol is a bane of mankind
I'm my head cannon, I imagine it as a /. Where the left is the top of a fraction, and the right the bottom. This only works in very simple equations though.
That's actually what the dots represent, values in a ratio when written in a sensible notation
I don’t think I ever used a divide symbol like that beyond elementary school. In practice always use fraction style notation for division because it’s not ambiguous or a gotcha.
This is the correct answer and it drives me crazy how often this comes up.
As another user commented, division and subtraction are just syntactic flavor for multiplication and addition, respectively. Division is a specific type of multiplication. Subtraction is a specific type of addition.
And so there is a reason mathematicians do not use the division symbol (➗): it is ambiguous as to which of the following terms are in the divisor and which are part of the next non-divisor term.
In other words, the equation as written is a lossy representation of whatever actual equation is being described.
tl;dr: the equation as written provides insufficient information to determine the correct order of operations. It is ambiguous notation and should not be used.
We discovered mathematics, the unflinching language of reality itself, and then managed to make it ambiguous.
If i was an alien id give humanity a big hair-tussle like a dog.
my calculator disagrees.

and i would too, this is basically
6÷2(1+2) = 6÷2×(1+2) = 6÷2×3
while you resolve brackets first, you still go left to right. you would get 1 if you did
6÷(2×(1+2))

the issue is the missing multiplication sign between the 2 and the brackets, thats why i always write them even if it is not strictly required
CASIO calculators say 1, and I think it's more intuitive with "÷2π" being equivalent to "÷(2×π)" rather than "÷2×π". It took me a while to figure out why my results were almost but not quite one order of magnitude wrong after I was forced to switch to TI.