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[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 22 points 1 hour ago

A lie is based on intent. If you're purposely intending to mislead someone, whether by omitting information or by outright stating false information, then it's a lie.

[–] SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 34 minutes ago) (4 children)

I wouldn't consider it in a vacuum. I also look at intent and consequences. Did they omit info to gain advantage over others, or were they refusing to tell a Nazi where they hid the jews? Did their choice lead to a better outcome for everyone, or did it cause chaos and disrupt lives needlessly?

Everyone going "duh it's still a lie" - calling someone a liar carries a specific connotation which I don't think applies in all cases of so-called "lies". To me, a lie carries with it not just an intentional falsehood but an accusation or an accusable misdeed. I wouldn't call someone a liar because they hid jews from nazis.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 hour ago

Pretty sure not telling the nazi is still a lie. But an example of when it is ethical to lie.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 7 points 1 hour ago

You are either answering the wrong question, or are defining a lie based on some criteria I don't recognize.

Telling a Nazi there are no Jews in my basement is a lie. The only way it's not a lie is if there are, in fact, no Jews in my basement. But it is not wrong to lie to a Nazi.

[–] charokol@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

A lie is still a lie, even if it’s told to a Nazi or if there’s an otherwise good outcome

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Ooh I like that perspective.

[–] YoFrodo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 hour ago

Omission can be a lie as long as the intent is to deceive. Thats an important element to making something a lie

[–] determinist@kbin.earth 2 points 15 minutes ago

the crucial element of a lie is intention to decieve, either by ommission or commission

[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

If Jean-Luc Picard says it’s so, it’s so.

[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Completely serious - I often use WWJLPD to inform a decision I have to make.

[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago

Jean-Luc Piucard demands you make it so

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Yes.

And lie by suggestion and implication is also a lie.

[–] blueyonder@lemmy.world 1 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago)

Agree with earlier comments that intentionally failing to mention a relevant truth (when one has an opportunity, when the relevant truth has not already been raised by others, etc.) can be an intention to deceive. But if we define "lie by omission" more broadly to include the failure to utter truths, then the only way to avoid it is to know everything, talk constantly, and approach infinite full disclosure by finite steps.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Are you sure you’re not really asking if lying is good or bad? To me that’s an important distinction that should be addressed.

My kids used to believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy. I perpetuated those lies because it was fun for everyone, and the boys enjoyed it. Now they’re older and know better, and they understand both sides. They were not hurt or upset.

But if I know my friend’s wife is cheating on him, and I don’t say anything to him, then obviously that’s bad and my friend would be devastated even more to find out I withheld such important information.

We often conflate “not telling lies” with “all lies are bad”, and that’s not always true.

[–] Hackworth@piefed.ca 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

How about a lie of omission to myself?

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You can omit things from yourself? I'm not sure if I should be jealous or afraid.

[–] Hackworth@piefed.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

In some trivial sense, we're all doing it constantly. The brain processes a lot of information that doesn't enter your train of thought. Then there's everything we experience but reflexively avoid thinking about due to some fear, pain, or conditioning. Then there's willful "putting out of mind," or willful forgetting, selective attention. And if ya push some of those hard, ya get ritual self-manipulation. I guess I'd argue the most common lie of omission is to the self.