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[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Was it in doubt? I heard about Legionnaire's disease spreading through air conditioning 40+ years ago.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago

Its even part of standard testing protocol, and tests positive a lot...

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Remember when buildings had windows that opened so you could let in fresh air?

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Remember when the world didn't suck so bad that you could have windows above the third floor that people didn't want to jump from?

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, not really. People have been jumping from heights since at least biblical times. Also not an excuse to prevent putting in at least small ventilation windows.

In Europe, schools were opening their windows to let in fresh air during the covid pandemic to cut down on disease transmission.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/10/13/school-windows-coronavirus-europe-winter/

Meanwhile in the US, we hire architects that design our schools like prisons, and end up with sick building syndrome because there are no windows that open.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sick_building_syndrome

Did you know the children who survived the mass shooting in Uvalde Texas were able to escape because they were in an older school building with windows that open? Good thing we don’t build our schools (or any other public buildings) like that anymore. 🙄

https://people.com/crime/boy-recalls-escaping-through-window-during-uvalde-texas-school-shooting/

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

Its gotten significantly warmer

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Where I live you keep the windows closed to have clean air.

[–] M137@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

I don't think I've ever seen one that doesn't have that in my country, Sweden.

[–] Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't remember a time when the air outside my home in a car-dependent industrial city was fresh. Luckily my current apartment gets centrally filtered and heat-exchanged replacement air.

[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

What?? Sharing air can allow airborne disease to spread??

Typically in the hospital isolation rooms both have their own ventilation but also have negative pressure, it’s for a reason.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 32 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Jesus why would ducts be shared between units

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Attention, test prisoners attempting to escape through the air ducts. I don't know what nonsense you learned on TV, but in real life, air ducts just go to the air conditioning unit. It's also pretty dusty, so if you've got asthma, chances are you're gonna die up there. And we'll be smelling it for weeks because, again, the air ducts aren't a secret escape hatch, they're how we ventilate the facility."

You know Andy Weir, author of The Martian and Project Hail Mary? He wrote a comic strip back in the day with a villain who was, by religion, a stereotypical movie bad guy. So his fortress is in a volcano with his face carved on it, and it's full of flagrantly convenient air ducts.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wut. I'm talking about super contagious viruses traveling in the air ducts.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

It just reminded me of that Portal 2 line.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (9 children)

so you don't have to heat and cool 185 individual units one by one.

I know it's kinda gross but imagine every room in a house having it's own HVAC....?

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Most modern apartments or condos in the US have their own HVAC. I’d say anything build in the last 50+ years at least.

Where are you where this is not common?

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

lived in apts from 2000-2015 - the ones in texas had their own AC, but elsewhere? Shared heating (steam fed radiators in ny) or large AC units on roofs pumping cold air into multiple units (VA, OR, WA)....

[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

My apartment complex had individual central air for each unit, each with its own furnace and AC. Is that not common? I guess there were only 20 units per building, though.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A false analogy. Every room in a house is not every apartment in a building.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

perhaps, but it's not that dramatically different - you share hallways, foyers, garages, but generally have control over a few select places - bedrooms, living rooms etc.

obviously this is a concern in some places otherwise why would they have written the article?

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think air ducts are needed for central heating.

It's much better to have individual AC units than have everyone get long covid because one person in the building was irresponsible

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Of course ducts are needed for central heating with the exception of a boiler/radiator system.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can do PTAC or mini splits to avoid ducts.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Neither of those are central heating.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, I use one evaporator to condition the air on the first floor of my home. I get what you're saying, but a one bedroom apartment could be served by two PTACs.

Perhaps I've lost the thread of this conversation though.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Right, but "central heating" means that the heat is generated in one location then distributed to all other rooms via forced air or steam.

PATCs aren't a form of central heating

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Who wouldn't use steam for central heating?

If it's cold enough to warrant central heating, you should probably distribute the heat in steam pipes.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Heat pumps are more efficient

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

Heat pumps can't create steam?

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

To enjoy the smell of your neighbour's sardines

[–] imgcat@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

To save 15 euro for a flap and fan.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean it makes sense, public hallways are also usually pressurized so it keeps smells inside the units too. This would push anything pathogens from the hallways into the units.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not really. The hallways need to be heated and supplied with fresh air, it keeps smells inside units, and if there’s burnt toast, the smoke isn’t making it into the hallways to evacuate the whole building when the alarms go off.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And everyone gets covid when one person has it. Good design

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The air gets exchanged, if there wasn’t air being exchanged, what would be different? You would be exposed anytime you go into the hallways anyways.

Stick a towel, or get a better doorsweep and seal yours better.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago

Obviously wear masks in common hallways

[–] kamenlady@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago
[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago

Very interesting. I remember reading about the SARS case from before the pandemic. Make sure to run water through all your drains periodically!

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You guys are getting ventilation? Best we got is a wall unit. Luckily we have heated floors, otherwise we'd also have to deal with electric radiant heaters along the floorboards.

[–] Kommeavsted@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

I lived in an apartment for a summer in 2022 and the area didn't regulate cooling requirements since summers were very mild when the regulation was written. The building was new construction and only "cooled" common areas while exhausting through the apartments. At that point summers regularly had 95F/35C for ~6 weeks with peaks above 110F/43C and lows not dropping below 85F/29C.

Furthermore you could only crack the windows and one of the walls was entirely window. I had taped up foil and cardboard to block the sun.

Anyways the entire apartment building got covid simultaneously at the peak of the heat.

[–] Attacker94@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Sky blue says star witness

[–] Elting@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Another win for steam heating.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Steam heating only covers one third of the functions of an HVAC system.

[–] Elting@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Usually I achieve the other two by opening some windows.

[–] TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com 2 points 1 week ago

sure. why not?

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