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Popular iPad design app Procreate is coming out against generative AI, and has vowed never to introduce generative AI features into its products. The company said on its website that although machine learning is a “compelling technology with a lot of merit,” the current path that generative AI is on is wrong for its platform. 

Procreate goes on to say that it’s not chasing a technology that is a threat to human creativity, even though this may make the company “seem at risk of being left behind.”

Procreate CEO James Cuda released an even stronger statement against the technology in a video posted to X on Monday.

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't trust them. They better fire him and hire a Jim Abacus.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

The CEO should ideally have the exact same name as the company. Like Tim Apple.

Or Sam Sung.

[–] li10@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Ironically, I think AI may prove to be most useful in video games.

Not to outright replace writers, but so they instead focus on feeding backstory to AI so it essentially becomes the characters they’ve created.

I just think it’s going to be inevitable and the only possible option for a game where the player truly chooses the story.

I just can’t be interested in multiple choice games where you know that your choice doesn’t matter. If a character dies from option a, then option b, c, and d kill them as well.

Realising that as a kid instantly ruined telltale games for me, but I think AI used in the right way could solve that problem, to at least some degree.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Generative AI steals art.

Procreate's customers are artists.

Stands to reason you don't piss your customer base off.

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Generative AI steals art.

No it doesn't. Drop that repeated lie please

[–] yetAnotherUser@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it really not true? How many companies have been training their models using art straight out of the Internet while completely disregarding their creative licences or asking anyone for permission? How many times haven't people got a result from a GenAI model that broke IP rights, or looked extremely similar to an already existing piece of art, and would probably get people sued? And how many of these models have been made available for commercial purposes?

The only logical conclusion is that GenAI steals art because it has been constantly "fed" with stolen art.

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago

It does not steal art. It does not store copies of art, it does not deprive anyone of their pictures, it does not remix other people's pictures, it does not recreate other people's pictures unless very very specifically directed to do so (and that''s on the human not he AI), and even then it usually gets things "wrong". If you don't completely redefine theft then it does not steal art

[–] paperd@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are right, generally, generative AI pirates art and the rest of the content on the internet.

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is at least borderline more correct, but it's still wrong. It learns using a neural network much like, but much simpler than, the one in your head

[–] paperd@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't "learn" anything, its a database with linear algebra. Using anthropomorphic adjectives only helps to entrench this useless and wasteful technology to regular people.

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trying to redefine the word "learn" won;t help your cause either. Stop being a luddite and realise that it is neither useless not wasteful

[–] paperd@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone loves increased work load and wow that's a lot of power to... do what exactly.

You don't need to resort to name calling, you could make a compelling argument instead...

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm calling you a luddite because you're being a luddite. AI is just a new medium, that's all it is, you're just scared of new technology just like how idiots were scared of photography a hundred and some years ago. You do not have an argument that holds any water because they were all made against photography, and many of them against pre-mixed paints before that!

Also I'm done arguing with anti-ai luddites because you are about as intractable as trump cultists. I'll respond to a level or two of comments in good faith because someone else might see your nonsense and believe it but this deep it's most likely you and me, and you're not gonna be convinced of anything.

Stop being a luddite

[–] paperd@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Name calling is what people do when they don't have any rational argument left, and you've done it twice.

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago

a technology that is a threat to human creativity

Perhaps the most stupid take on this subject I have seen. Nothing will stop humans creating, definitely not a new creative medium! That's all it is, by the way, a new medium, like photography a hundred and some years ago, or digital painting more recently. Most of the same arguments were made against pre mixed paints - Turner was dragged for using them, for example!

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one -1 points 1 year ago

I’m super concerned about what the future holds for humanity and I worry that AI will leave millions and millions without an income and further concentrate wealth towards the few.

That said this is clearly a “we can’t compete, let’s make a press release to say ‘this is all wrong and we choose not to compete’”-statement.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As with everything the problem is not AI technology the problem is capitalism.

End capitalism and suddenly being able to share and openly use everyone's work for free becomes a beautiful thing.

[–] exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree, but as long as we still have capitalism I support measures that at least slow down the destructiveness of capitalism. AI is like a new powertool in capitalism's arsenal to dismantle our humanity. Sure we can use it for cool things as well. But right now it's used mostly to automate stuff that makes us human - art, music and so on. Not useful stuff like loading the dishwasher for me. More like writing a letter for me to invite my friends to my birthday. Very cool. But maybe the work I put in doing this myself is making my friends feel appreciated?

Edit: It's also nice to at least have an app that takes this maximalist approach. Then people can choose. If they're half-assing it there will be more and more ai-features creeping in over time. One compromise after the next until it's like all the other apps. It's also important to have such a maximalist stand in order to gauge the scale in a way.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today -1 points 1 year ago

This, over and over again.

Going against AI is being a luddite, not aware of the core underlying issue.