As a Norwegian fairly interested in fotball, I wish everyone could engage slightly less with fascist governments and corrupt organisations. We can do better than USA and FIFA.

[–] saltnotsugar@lemmy.world 47 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I got really REALLY drunk with Norwegians once. One of the dudes got real serious at one point and said, “Lads. If we take lands in Ireland we can become LORDS.” Everyone looked stern and nodded.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 21 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Did you invade Ireland?

[–] saltnotsugar@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I am now something called a “Jarl” which is not tax deductible but still pretty cool. The Irish government was GRUMPY about this though.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 14 points 8 hours ago

[–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 8 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, don’t leave us hanging!

[–] Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca 8 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

A severe lacking of beards. Clearly these are footballers and not Vikings they are cosplaying as. Its cute.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago) (1 children)

They probably have all their teeth too, and I bet none of them have intestinal worms. Certainly not Vikings.

[–] GargleBlaster@feddit.org 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Do you even live if you don't have intestinal worms? Smh my head

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 1 points 56 minutes ago* (last edited 54 minutes ago)

THESE are the faces of men cohabiting with intestinal worms

[–] dvlsg@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Beard or no, I don't think I'd want to run into Haaland on a battlefield.

[–] josteinsn@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Big discussion in Norway atm about this aesthetic-- kitsch? camp? vulgar? too aryan? to chauvinistic? or just too close to nazi symbolism for comfort?

https://thevikingherald.com/article/the-vikings-return-to-america-norwegian-soccer-team-gets-in-the-world-cup-spirit/1395

https://www.dagbladet.no/sport/kritikkstorm-faen-sa-dum/84715979

[+] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world -10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

All of the above tbh.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 39 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

While I think it's just harmless fun, understand most of those criticizms. But the nazi comparisons seem sad and pathetic. Should every symbol the nazis tried to appropriate for themselves be surrendered to them? Should we give them the ability to limit what symbols the rest of us are allowed to use? I don't think we should.

[–] aasatru@kbin.earth 20 points 8 hours ago

It has been a problem in particular with runes, as they are heavily associated with neo-nazis to the point where at least Scandinavians often feel very uncomfortable around it. Some participants in the debate in Norway are praising the team for reclaiming the symbolism from the nazis.

I personally agree that we cannot surrender our historical legacy to nazis, and I think it's worth making active efforts to reclaim it. So I think this is a good thing, as long as the team also make sure to celebrate diversity and anti-fascism. I chose my user name here according to a similar logic.

[+] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world -19 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

You're right, it's unfair on the scandiboos to associate brutal white slaver-colonisers with nazis.

[–] Starik@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty much any group from history behaved terribly by modern standards. Even the colonized were doing their own colonizing before being overpowered by a more powerful colonizer.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world -3 points 4 hours ago

Wow I really upset the scandiboos.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I was talking about the symbolism associated with the viking cultures, not the way they conducted themselves when visiting neighbours. I wouldn't want the majority of thar to be shelved off as nazism just because some germans a millenia later thought the letters and mythology looked cool and wanted them for themselves. Or should we ditch every aspect of mythology and folklore that the schizoid Himmler decided to take a fascination with?

[+] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world -8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

If you want to wear a swastika, that's your choice to make. People will judge you for it though.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If a Hindu, Buddhist, or Jain puts a swastika outside their home, literally no one except an ignorant person would judge them for it.

We're talking about Scandinavians using the viking aesthetic for a photoshoot. It's not nazism.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I said it has overtones of all the above. I didn't say its all nazism. Its very surprising to me that people have chosen to read that when the only person who said anything like that was someone else trying to put words in my mouth.

I don't know, felt kind of cheap to me.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

That's a really pathetic deflection. Now go home and think about what you've done.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That one has basically no other associations in the western world and I'm not a hindu, so I don't have a reason to. But pagan traditions, symbolism and mythology are a different matter. If you wish to label all of those as nazism, only the nazis will thank you for it.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Can you quote where I labelled them all the above as nazism please. You seem to have spent this entire conversation trying to put words in my mouth.

In fact, can you also quote where I said we need to throw out everything the nazis ever tried to claim while we're here too please. I feel like you made that one up as well.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 hours ago

Your original response was "All of the above tbh." to a list of critiques of the photoshoot. If you think that posing for a viking picture is too close to nazi symbolism, then why do you think that? I can't see anything that would directly associate the picture with the german nazi party, or fascism in general.

The only explanation I could figure was that you think the nazi appropriation of the general aesthetic taints the whole concept of vikings with the nazi label. If my assesment is incorrect, then I do apologize. It's just that that specific line of thinking is sadly somewhat common and is the core of a wider phenomenon of surrendering the symbols and aesthetics of many pre-christian traditions (particularly in northern Europe) to the nazis.

[–] Corngood@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 hours ago

Erling Haaland: this is what I've actually been training for

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 7 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

That whole northern viking folklore is actually kind of insane if you know that the whole game of the vikings was to sail to other countries, loot & pillage and to murder, rape & enslave people.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago

https://youtu.be/XsTpdqLFtoo

[–] oce@jlai.lu 13 points 11 hours ago

Lots of famous historical figures did just that.

[–] TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club 9 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Kinda frowned upon these, but back then was all the rage!

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Significantly fewer poorly defended, costal monastaries in england these days... I wonder why?

[–] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

But only kinda

[–] Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I doubt they were that dense. If they could get the loot without killing, maybe even the villagers carrying it to their ship, they would do so and come back in the next harvesting season.

But who knows.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, the vikings PR team is only surpassed by regular pirates and the British royal family.