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[–] Loce@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I've just canceled copilot since a single query cost me 50% of monthly quota lol. Fuck them.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago

Why not post the original source 404Media instead of this recycled content site? 404 is great. https://www.404media.co/microsoft-wants-to-make-people-addicted-to-scout-its-new-ai-assistant-internal-documents-reveal/

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 3 points 21 hours ago

except Microsoft will probably suck at AI too so if it becomes addictive they will likely not be the leading company. They started coding agents almost before anyone else with arguably more data than anyone and still somehow have the worst propriety coding agent.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

How's that working out for them?

[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

I’m addicted to laughing at how much money they’ve wasted on it. Does that count?

[–] tomato666@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They'll just make it free to education establishments. Eventually the next generation will only know it.

As they did with Windows and Office tools.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That was an effective long-term ploy but I don't think it would work here - AI is a steam train running on pure cash to heat the boiler

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

In this case they will also employ the age old enshitification strategy. Instead of (or along with) filling it with advertisements, they can simply drop the model parameters to make it cheaper while pushing it to more and more sloppy content.

Smaller models are incredibly cheap to run, and if people are convinced they want slop, they win. That is why AI is paired with the larger scale project of dumbing down everything.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 points 22 hours ago

That's how freemium works: fIrst get you hooked, then make you pay.

[–] magnue@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When are microslop gonna learn that all they have to do is make a good product?

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 hours ago

Funny. Their strategy seems to make them plenty of money.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

When people and businesses stop buying their products

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno. That keeps happening and they seem to keep doubling down.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago

Their strategy since the 80s has been to half-ass shit and sell it to large scale businesses, establish their software as the default software across industries, so then everyone else has to learn and buy it.

Literally started with MS DOS. Then Windows, Internet Explorer, Office, and lots of small stuff. They kill entire industries that were making better software. None of the above 4 things were Microsoft even close to better than preexisting software. People were swearing off DOS and Windows 3x when they crashed constantly in the early 90s and late-stage capitalism said "hold my beer" and made them the most valuable company in history within a decade.

[–] username_1@discuss.tchncs.de 75 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The best addictiveness is being helpful. But I bet it is too difficult for MS, so they will proceed with some psychological shit to keep users.

[–] iceberg314@slrpnk.net 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Not necessarily. If it answers you question and go go about your day, that's not as good for Microsoft user numbers/engagement.

They probably want it to just barely get you exactly what you need to keep you on the edge. Once they start training models for user engagement the enshitification will begin

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

ugh let me finish!

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago

They probably want it to just barely get you exactly what you need to keep you on the edge.

Phrasing!

[–] tiny_hedgehog@piefed.social 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The only addictive thing Microsoft has ever had a hand in is Age Of Empires II.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Solitaire is what led to Windows dominating the market

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Pinball and that one Weezer vid would like a word.

[–] MadBigote@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lol my SO and i still. Play LAN AOE2 to this day. such a great game

[–] tiny_hedgehog@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

Hell yeah. Briton longbows FTW.

[–] 404found@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Microsoft doesn't have it in their DNA to get people addicted to AI. That part of their DNA mutated into a cancer a long time ago.

Microsoft meant be "addictive" in the sense of using Microsoft's AI to make a spreadsheet, type an email, make a PowerPoint etc.. Microsoft wants AI to access all your information to so its results are custom to the user and provide huge value.

This is where value and profit are a contradiction. How much profit is Microsoft willing to potentially throw away in an effort to provide an incredible AI user experience? Spoiler alert: not enough.

When was the last time you were blown away by a corporation because you had such a great experience and couldn't stop telling people about it? This is what Microsoft wants to happen with their AI but they haven't been capable of doing that with any of their products for decades ei Windows 10, 11, Bing...

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The last I thought "what a great product" from them was when I used winxp for the first time, and that was only because I came from 98se (which was just shy of the bane of humanity, whose title then belonged to win98). After a while using XP, I realized it was actually garbage, and that "good compared to" was not the measure I wanted for my os, and so began my search for a daily Linux. This was 20 years ago. They have decidedly not gotten better in those 20 years.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago

Indeed. I remember someone I respected raving that they had their new WinXP computer on for 2 weeks straight without it crashing and being blown away by the new advanced technology.

Teenage me didn't have any idea that would have been a low bar even in the 1980s.

[–] 404found@lemmy.zip 3 points 21 hours ago

It's been a long time since they have done anything well. Look at how much of a flop OneDrive was. They don't have the framework as a company to develop and train AI to be the way the leaked email wants it to be

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Man, surveillance loves snooping what AI is snooping.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Well it worked, in a way. It got many many more people addicted to hating Microsoft.

Addicted to Linux

[–] III@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Wait, what? Does this mean when AI told me I was insightful and right over and over about everything I typed in... it was just to make me want to continue to use it?... How could this be?

[–] Corvidae@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And if a pharmaceutical or drug has addictive properties with no medical uses, the government outlaws it by scheduling it as having abuse potential. Seems like a big double standard.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I’ve got some bad news… all of society is based on double standards. Humans are far less logical and much more emotional, gullible, biased and egotistical than we would like to think.

[–] Corvidae@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

While it's just a guess, pharmaceutical lobbying is likely why. None of that happened before the FDA was created sometime in the early 1900s.

Right now we're in the political stages of considering the regulating of internet access to minors, the addictiveness of social media is not regulated.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It’s an interesting thought, and maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but why would the pharmaceutical industry lobby to have certain drugs outlawed? For example, Purdue pharma went to great lengths to hide the truth about the addictiveness of their drug.

[–] Corvidae@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

My limited understanding of the history was that during the patent medicine era, medicines had proprietary formulas and varying compositions. For example, many formulas had cannabis extract, others contained opium. The initial regulations therefore were done for medical purposes of drug purity. Edited to add, it wouldn't surprise me if the overuse of opium in the patent medicine era led directly to judging the medical usefulness of these drugs, although it's just a guess.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

I know the media frames this poorly and someone at Microsoft wasn't smart enough to dance around the subject but everyone wants their products to be addictive. The sugar industry, petrochemicals, beauty etc etc. They all want this.

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

It probably needs to be if they have any hope of recouping what they've spent

[–] iceberg314@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 days ago

They just want it to he addictive so that people use it a bunch. Then they try to sell enterprise level versions to companies they can say look how much people use it, it must be because it is so useful

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

You don't always get what you want...

[–] BucketBong@p.hobo.social 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did they give their drug dealers jobs?

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Drug dealers are self employed.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I prefer dealing for a small practice. The pay is a bit lower, but I appreciate the benefits and stability.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Of course, they want all the data and they want all the subscriptions.

I thought that was kind of the point of all of them.

I have the ChatGPT app on my iPhone. I don't love it, but I do like it for what it is. I also don't pay for it. Siri and Apple Intelligence made a bunch of empty promises. Hell, Star Trek: The Next Generation set us up for so much disappointment in the 2020s. The fact that you can't just talk to your phone and have a full on conversation with it is pretty damn disappointing in 2026. Well, you can with an app, but it's creepy and it's driving up the cost of computer parts, so it's one hell of a monkey's paw.

But at the same time, I was giving a coworker a ride home, and Michael Jackson came up in conversation. I was a big fan in the 80s but really stopped caring about him in the 90s (not because of the allegations; I just moved on to rock and metal). My coworker mentioned a music video with Magic Johnson in it, and I asked ChatGPT what it was. While driving, because it has a voice prompt. I spoke to it like I'd speak to any passenger in my car. I said — this is right outta the app's history — "I heard there was a music video that Michael Jackson did that Magic Johnson was in it. Do you know what that is? I'm just gonna take what I said." That last sentence wasn't to ChatGPT, I just didn't hit the end/send button hard enough and it kept recording. The context baffles me, too. Anyway, the video was "Remember the Time" and it gave me four paragraphs about it, but I was driving, so it just spoke them, through CarPlay.

I don't love ChatGPT, but this is the kind of shit we were promised with Siri 10 years ago. Just to be able to ask it a question and have it answer you, no muss, no fuss.

There's no reason why you should ever have to touch your phone. You should be able to do it all by touch if you want to. Especially if you have earbuds, you should be able to ask it 90% of what you'd look up manually and have it just tell you. That's the future. Google is probably most of the way there, and I like Android, I like customising the home screen, the lock screen, widgets, I like having a keyboard that doesn't censor you and change what you say after you say it because what you said wasn't politically correct — in no uncertain terms, fuck iOS for that — but I also don't like Google and their data selling policies. Google is pretty much scum. Not that Apple are saints, but I still think of them as the computer company that made the Macintosh. I use Macs at home. I don't like how they're getting into services (though I do love Apple Music). I do love that they're getting rid of the bean counter, Tim Cook, and getting an actual engineer as CEO starting in September (John Ternus). Tim Cook seems like a nice guy, but I don't think he took Apple in the right direction, though I'm sure the shareholders vehemently disagree since he made them rich. Also, the M-series Macs have been great. I just hope Ternus makes them better.