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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

bastard musk must be broken down to destitution to clean up our world

[–] dropped_the_chief@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I'm loathe to find out how he's going to fail his way upwards from this. It's going to pop, and he's going to tumble upwards like he always does. Capitalism is a system that props fools like this up.

[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Better start hauling asteroids for mining. Nothing else is going to have that level of ROI.

[–] VAK@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

How much does it have to grow before Musk dies? That'll be the question

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

All they have to do is to start putting ads on space and none of us will be able to do anything about it because we are a bunch of peasants.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Just so you know: the valuation of SpaceX has nothing to do with the space side of the company. If you look at their projected revenue, the rockets etc... are a footnote. but SpaceX acquired XAI, and literally all of this projected growth is SpaceX becoming the leading AI company in the next decade.

(and i wish i was joking, but i see everybody here wondering how a space company could possible grow that much, or be expected to. And the answer obviously is it can't, and noone expects it to. But an AI company in this AI bubble, that people believe....)

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Remember, Musk also proposes a combination. That AI will, for whatever stupid ass reason, become predominantly space based and that they would be having hundreds of Starship launches a month....

[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

That's another Elon BS special. Dissapating heat in space is very difficult because you can only do it via radiation, which is weak.

[–] dltk@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

Then there's the massive amounts of heavy metals that get deposited in the upper atmosphere when the satellite datacenters ultimately reenter and burn up. Good bye ozone layer.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, there's a lot of stupidity at the concept.

If I recall, his rationalization was that a particular company was backordered on parts to build natural gas generators until 2030... So naturally it's so much easier to get to hundreds of starship launches a month and all the attendant solar and radiators and crap....

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

I wonder the opposite: when the ai bubble pops, will it take spacex with it?

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

We can burn the hypothetical companies which obstruct our heavens.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why do people like this guy? Tell him to fuck off already.

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because he has a massive public presence. Why do people like mcdonald and not burgermeister? Because they have never hear of the latest. The proper way to give this guy the middle finger is to stop giving him any exposure if not for serious stuff that show he's scum.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 17 hours ago

Because he has $826 billion....

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

why people invest in this? they will just lose their money

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As long as there is a sucker willing to pay more they will gain money. And unfortunately there are millions of suckers on the planet. Fundamentals don’t mean anything with this IPO. It’s basically all hype based like Pokemon cards.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

One of the big problems with investing is that the average investor thinks they're smarter than the average investor.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

Now that even main Indices (which were supposed to be much safer to invest in - via things like ETFs - than individual stock picking) are being shamelessly rigged to feed Retail and Fund money to the IPO pires, you should literally not be invested in any US Stock Market by the time this and other AI IPOs happen.

Literally even having money under your matress (even with the current inflation) is safer than being in any way form or shape invested in the Nasdaq 100 and if this shit is the straw that breaks the camel's back, matress savings storage is safer that being invested anywhere in a US stock market.

I was in none other than Lehman Brothers in the 2008 Crash and saw that shit from the front row and all of this crap (the ever more articles about how AI is not delivering returns for companies using it, the steep increases in AI usage fees - which stink of desperate attempts at monetising it, which in turn mean that either the companies selling AI services have run out of runway or believe AI cannot improve further hence their investment must start producing returns NOW - these 3 AI IPOs pretty much at the same time all with insane valuations and the shameless rigging of Indices) are making alarm bells ring in my head like crazy.

Think of it as alarmism if you want.

I can tell you one thing for sure from my own experience in 2008 Crash: there were but a few obscure signs that shit was about to hit the fan back then (for example, there was an article in The Economist about how the Credit Derivative positions of both Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers were 2x higher than the 3rd largest and the rest of the Industry, plus some wispers of Goldman Sachs reducing their exposure to Credit Derivatives) and between that and the first big crack - Bear Stearns collapsing and being sold the JPMorgan for peanuts - it was but a few weeks and between that and Lehman Brothers going bankrupt and the markets going into an uncrontrolled crash, it was about a week, so expect the same kind of time scale in the transition from "this all looks kinda suspicious" to the first "oh shit" (maybe OpenAI's IPO?!) to an out of control fall of the markets that no matter what they try Central Banks are unable to stop until it hits a stable new and much lower level, and meanwhile all that shit will be throwing shrapnel into the rest of the Economy, not just via retraction in Financial Markets such as the Money Markets but via the complete collapse of everything proped up by the current data center projects (most of which not even yet started yet already propping up things like land acquisition and long term equipment purchasing contracts).

Judging by how P/Es in the Nasdaq 100 are now literally TWICE as much as in 2022, in the least bad scenario the Nasdaq market will collapse to half its value right now as P/E levels go back to 2022 (which was much closer to historic average), though judging by my experience in 2008 Crash plus there being other massive asset price bubbles in other markets (such as realestate), IMHO as the the bursting of the bubbles feed each other and impact the broader Economy which in turn impacts back all kinds of markets - via retractions in Consumption and Investment as well as spiking Loan Default rates in turn feeding into retractions in credit from traditional Banks and Money Markets - this shit will go much further than a mere 50% fall in the Nasdaq).

[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

I started to invest in world market ex us funds over a year ago. I also have been stockpiling cash

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think a lot of people will brush it off what ever happens with SpaceX because Xai is the weakest of the big model providers. I don’t think we’ll even get to the openAI IPO. I think the S1 or IPO from anthropic will be the real kicker, because they’re the darling at the moment. The one that seems to have the most momentum and business customers.

If their S1 turns out to be utter dog water and/or their IPO flops, that’s when the real panic comes. When people say “oh crap, these GPU data centers don’t have customers that can make money”, and that narrative will hit all the people building data center and all the people selling hardware to them. Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Nvidia, that’s like… what, 25% of the S&P 500? That seems like a big enough hit to catch a lot of other stuff in the blast radius.

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[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 day ago (8 children)

This is nuts. Can someone explain this cos I just don't get it. Why would you invest in a company if its well established that its unlikely you'll ever make a profit or even get that money back??

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Because Elon said so, and a lot of these people are playing with other people's money, so it's worth a shot.

Elon says:

  • SpaceX is really about xAI, and look how well regarded Anthropic is, we'll be even better than Anthropic because, welll I'm Elon and I said so!
  • All this AI stuff has to go to space because some company that makes a part for natural gas generators is backordered a few years, so we'll start having hundreds of Starship launches a month.

Yes, he claimed that hundreds of Starship launches a month is a more realistic thing to pull off than making some parts of natural gas turbines...

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)
  1. Buy stock when it's valued at $1.75 trillion
  2. Elon says on twitter he thinks it will be worth $3 trillion soon
  3. Some idiots buy stock, price goes up
  4. You sell
  5. Profit

You can keep doing this as long as there's a bigger idiot down the line. If you're still holding the stock when it collapses you're the biggest idiot and you lose.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

SpaceXs initial valuation is so large it will distort the market, and they changed the rules so the index funds will all buy shares automatically to balance their portfolios, which will shoot the price up and balloon the valuation even further, then Elon and the investors that helped him buy twitter can sell at ludicrous prices at the expense of American 401ks and and passive managed pension funds.

It's a trillion dollar rug pull in broad daylight.

Edit- Nasdaq changed their rule, S&P has not.

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tl;dr - Not a single person would be investing in SpaceX. Americans' retirement funds would be invested into it, without their knowledge or consent, regardless of how obvious the outcome is.

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[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 114 points 2 days ago (29 children)

Never understood the business model for SpaceX and Starlink. Huge capital and operational costs without a clear understanding of who is paying for it.

[–] Juviz@lemmy.zip 68 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

For Starlink and SpaceX, I can probably understand the business model, considering the race to getting more satellites to orbit be it for surveying or in case of Starlink stable Internet anywhere. But anything beyond that, like data centers in space I just ridiculous. No way that their valuation is anywhere near what it is realistically.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 60 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I look at Starlink where currently about 6 spacecraft deorbit a week and need replacement as a huge operational cost. Many SpaceX launches are Starlink launches, it raises the question of whether this is a circular or self fulfilling industry.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 44 points 2 days ago (6 children)

It’s a FOMO play for morons.

The entire valuation is that they say that they can find $28T of businesses on mars and the moon, that that creating these business ideas is something they can do repeatably.

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[–] formergijoe@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (11 children)

I can't wait for my 401k to lose a significant chunk of its value within the next 5 years because some chud at Fidelity needed to ride Elon to the moon. And also the AI crash.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 1 points 17 hours ago

I just wish my money would all be gone already so I didn't have to worry so much.

[–] galbraith@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The S&P 500 rejected adding SpaceX though. So no worries from them but when AI crashes and burns so will your 401k.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They didn't reject adding SpaceX, they simply said they would not change the rules to add it early, like the other indexes are. Those rules include a minimum time listed as a public company, a certain percentage of shares being floated to the public, and some profitability. I doubt SpaceX ever gets there.

Some of those other AI companies might make it through the gauntlet, though, and be listed eventually.

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[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

in order to achieve that they'd have to hire pretty much the entire aerospace industry. everyone in the usa with any expertise in rockets or satellites. im doing my part by never working for that fucking fascist piece of shit.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

That’s 59% growth annually, every year, for 10 years straight.

Any miss or early miss throws the schedule off significantly.

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