And it will only cost everyone all their privacy, right? Fucking fascists.
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Make it illegal for their parents to give them phones and computing devices that can send and receive pictures. Problem solves.
No but seriously education for both parents and children. Because while I do believe these companies play their role in how children interact online and what they interact with, I don't believe they're going to be able to stop anyone from sending something or receiving something they want to send without invasive and possibly traumatic tactics that will effect people regardless of age group.
It would be so fun if Apple and Google decided they'd rather not have business in England anymore
It actually shows that the government have no understanding of the technology or the culture because no one's communicating with potential paedophiles via iMessage does Google even have a messaging app anymore?
Google does have a text message app. I use it because the native Samsung one looked ass
Textra is a good SMS app. I haven't looked st their privacy practices, but SMS in general is not private
He's just Starmer alright. We have no control over him he just does stuff.
It's clear they haven't consulted anyone over this. All they did was told it was impossible and ignored them as per.
Just allow parents to disable their child’s camera, simple?
Actually, yeah. That offloads the responsibility to the parents. I think that solution actually works...
What sort of nightmarish personal responsibility world are you proposing? I don't want to have to raise my own damn kids.
Starmer's labour government has been an absolute shit show. Fuck the child safety act.
"Protecting children" is one of the last and best tactics people use when they're trying desperately to distract from other problems.
With Labour like this, who needs Tories?
Wasn't it a Tory policy that Labour adopted? Either way, absolutely awful and really does illustrate how little difference there between the major parties.
fuck the chi-
Oh no OH NOOO
"Fuck the child" safety act
My partner sent me some dirties and the new iphone asked her if she was sure.
Creepy shit.
It’s all done on device on iPhone, not really that creepy. You can also disable it if you want.
You can disable it for now
Technology as a religion strikes again.
We can't possibly solve this problem the human way, with parent and children awareness and communication.
No, we must solve it with tech. Every problem must be solved with tech !
What a sad world.
Tech and invigilation*
I mean, I'm all for forcing big tech to provide better parental control tools. Because right now they provide the bare minimum that often locks you out of control... and it's a hassle to set up, maintain and manage.
Take e.g. Apple. To do any parental control you need an Apple account. Reasonable, to this point. But! To actually have any control, you need Apple devices. It isn't enough to log in through a browser, because you can't properly set rules, limits, block sites or apps, monitor communications, no, you need an iPhone or iPad or a Mac. You can't approve access requests if your child wants to go to a non-allowlisted website for e.g. school work.
Oh and if we're at allowlists and blocklists... no platform at the moment offers ANY kind of automated lists the parents can enable. They need to manually hunt things down and add them. So you either have your kid constantly pinging you to access resources, or you're constantly reviewing what they're visiting, searching for, etc., to block inappropriate content. And with how many porn websites there are out there that are specifically CLANDESTINE porn sites that at first appear generic kids games but if you go the right way, you find porn, is staggering.
Oh and one more thing. When are we punishing Google, Meta, etc., for allowing intentionally child-targeted adult themed ads and recommendations? Or did we forget how YouTube allowed incredibly disturbing content in ads and recommendations FOR KIDS (as in, literally injected into playlists meant for kids)?
I feel like all these locks and bars that people apparently believe that they need to be good parents to their children are a little... much? My mother wasn't an exemplary parent exactly so I wouldn't go down her route, but I think there's a case to be made for connecting to your child on a human level, and being their guide rather than their warden.
It makes me think of this hysterical American mindset I've bumped into over the years. I've got friends who likened me walking a couple of blocks to school as a six year old as child abuse, when they themselves have no idea how to operate a washing machine. I did experience abuse, but it was more of the slammed into the floor and choked out, than going to and from school on my own.
There's a happy medium to be made, where you can gradually introduce concepts to a child at a level that's appropriate. Fostering a connection to a child that makes them feel like they can trust in you, and safely go to you when they need it, while also having the freedom to make decisions and grow on their own.
Oh and one more thing. When are we punishing Google, Meta, etc., for allowing intentionally child-targeted adult themed ads and recommendations? Or did we forget how YouTube allowed incredibly disturbing content in ads and recommendations FOR KIDS (as in, literally injected into playlists meant for kids)?
I think this is the far more pressing issue. Capitalism will gladly throw the health of people under the bus if it makes them a quick buck.
Surveillance is not security. When fully formed Surveillance is slavery.
Yeah bro we're totally just scanning everything you send just on the off chance that a child (even though you have none and don't know any) are takes your phone and uses it to send a dick pic haha no bro don't worry it's for their safety haha
I estimate about 3 months until an inevitable data breach where it turns out they actually keep copies of all of the images because of course they will.
How much he gives to his own citizens human trafficking kids from albania?
Maybe hold the parents accountable. Betya then they'll start caring about what their children are doing. Because yes, while there are adult perpetrators, there are also children themselves selling media they create on things like roblox servers. It's a rabbit hole.
Bonus: you don't have to invalidate everyone's right to fucking privacy.
Extra credit: you can still tax the fuck out of these trillion dollar corporations that are ruining the world.
wouldnt it be so funny if polaroid cameras made a huge comeback? i already fight the urge to buy one when i see shit like this
- Demand to "protect the children" or else we'll do
- is not done because, well, it's impossible.
- Do whilst claiming "they gave us no other choice"
There is a nice german word for such thinking. It's "Vollkasko-mentalität" - Vollkasko is car insurance which covers everything + mentality.
I also find it funny that any existing smartphones have to work in this system too. I'd like to see the performance of any filter technology on an Android 4 based device that hasn't seen an update or an replacement battery for decades. And what about feature phones?
I'd say let them catapult themselves back into analog times, it'll be fun to watch when they realize that filtering that requires opening letters like back in East Germany.
it'll be fun to watch when they realize that filtering that requires opening letters like back in East Germany.
Is Playboy back in business?
Idiot's in Ties are still Idiots.
Over reach dressed up as protection for children.
I don't have kids myself so can't say I understand how prevalent this problem is, but I can imagine it's not as big of a problem as what politicians are making out. Certainly not big enough that this can be the answer, even if this legitimately required a solution, such a solution would surely be a last resort.
If Apple and Google are sending kids nude images, then their parents are showing them porn by giving them phones.
Let me guess, the solution is age verification for everyone?
because it's not about the kids, it's never been about the kids. It's about collecting/harvesting user data, IDs, and tracking said user.
Age verification for social media isn't working. why? because people will simply just stop using it. now porn? well they figure everyone gets horny and loves porn so it's the next best bet to continue to try and collect said data.
We all know the EASIEST solution to this issue, it's like you set, parental controls. it's always been the easiest solution. always. but THAT doesn't collect a users data.
Look i'll be honest if all these governments and companies just straight up came out and said "ok, we lied, it's not about the kids we just want your data. that's it. we want it so we can track it and sell it. we need the easy money." I'd slightly respect them more for it.
Seriously how about this "you allow us to collect and sell your data and we'll give you a tax break or a cut of the profits from selling it. we'll make this an opt in thing" just do that. just be god damn honest.
Fucking hell, can we get an age and qualification limit on politicians already?
What’s more likely, the prime minister is a clueless idiot who jeeps making blunder after blunder and is too stupid to even consider asking for advice from experts in the field, or he’s paid by terrorists?
I wonder what would happen if those companies simply told the UK government it wasn't possible, and withdrew from the market?
How?
That seems like a parent problem.