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Somewhere along the way we stopped holding them accountable.
It probably started with the Nixon pardon and then continued with Reagan who should have actually been held accountable for his treason with the Iran Contra scandals.
It's just been downhill since and Trump has taken it to a whole new level of corruption and was crimes.
I would love to see Obama held accountable for his drone policies, Biden for is support of genocide, Trump for everything, W. For his war crimes.
It probably started with the Nixon pardon and then continued with Reagan who should have actually been held accountable for his treason with the Iran Contra scandals.
It's a thread specifically asking about Democrat leaders, and you name two of the most notorious crooked Republicans to ever hold office (prior to 2016).
This is most Americans, no matter what camp they root for, for most of their leaders. And you have plenty to choose from although recently I imagine the Republicans have edged ahead in this depressing horse race. Thank you for rage baiting with us today.
We are all tired of what-aboutism.
We gotta focus on the present situation.
Because government does things that large populaces can't or won't do for themselves. Sometimes that's things like Social Security, regulating companies so they don't enslave us or dump DDT all over the place, or organizing enough coordinated violence to prevent other, more aggressive governments from coming in and taking over. Sometimes, usually when the people aren't paying enough attention, it's horrible things like building Gitmo or supporting Israel.
Ideally, everyone would be well-informed and engaged enough to immediately hold government accountable when it does horrible things in our names, but for a lot of people life is hard, and they've been actively discouraged from having that education and engagement, usually by one flavor or another of psychopath who wants to get away with their atrocities and not be answerable to a decently informed and engaged electorate.
Democrats do, on balance, care more about their leaders committing atrocities than Republicans do, but the phenomenon of "I just can't think about that right now, I've got other things going on" is a universal experience.
It's right to be outraged by this complacency, and I don't even think anyone is wrong for wanting to disengage from any political party or even politics as a whole in response, but wanting to remain morally pure and wanting to achieve anything of merit within the system we currently have are mutually exclusive goals.
If someone finds politics as a whole, and all of the moral compromises involved, so abhorrent that they don't want to engage at all, I get it, but they'd really better start looking up how to engage in violent resistance, because change either comes through politics and all of its attendant compromises or through violence, there's no third alternative.
Because for the most part, Americans are bloodthirsty morons.
i guess not all democrat supporters are historians. we had biases taught at a young age with social studies and stuff. and it's easier to compare presidents to past ones. kinda why conservatives default cheer trump cause he's 'better' than biden obama etc.
like trump basically started a war, and by the time alls said and done. we're way too busy doing damage control, reparations, complex PR and stuff. it's not forgotten but we work on the present.
Money > Ethics. Its pretty simple, everyone has a price. People will ignore or downplay the shitty things if you keep a certain level of contentment.
Because the alternate is literally fascism. Until we do away with first past the post, there are only two real choices. And if you don't choose the lesser of two evils, then you're part of the problem and you're literally responsible for people dying.
It's the degeneracy into idolism. Idols can do no wrong.
Dems don't care who the leader is. What matters if they're advancing the agenda. Same reason Republicans cheer on a pedophile rapist.
The poor turnout for Hillary and Kamala suggests they actually do have some opinions on who the leader is.
No group is a monolith.
Yeah americans genuinely would rather have a rapist as a president than a woman, amazing. (jokes aside, you are of course correct that this immediately disproves that theory that people don't care who the leader is)
Because that's a distraction from the unprecedented strife and corruption home and abroad brought on by the current and relevent leadership every single day. Just admit you want to evoke past abuses and damages to distract from and downplay the war crimes, moral crimes, and plain old crimes committed by the tRump republicans right now that demand account and action. The best you have to offer is "whatabout 10 years ago??" right now? Sit the fuck down. People KNOW about those issues, but they actually cannot go change them, because that's THE PAST. Yes they matter, but not more than the country and maybe also world burning in a heap of shambles as we speak. So, quite frankly, there's no time for your bullshit, get the fuck out of here.