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Now hold on there... just give me a generation or two to reassert American Exceptionalism into the children... and by then we will have once again saved a savage people by the grace of our own convictions. Saviors once again, having never done anything wrong.

Make Trump pay for it. When he's out, and he and his Nepo-Baby Demonspawn are all in prison for life, they're entire fortunes should be confiscated and used to restore all of his destruction. Leave whatever whelps are left behind as paupers, with only the Trump name to remind the rest of the world that they are the remnants of the greatest Treasonous Pedophile Crime Family of all time.

What a fucking Loser.

We can talk about more than one thing.

you do realize high gas and grocery prices make them way more unpopular than the epstein files could?

Not sure how it distracts? People are capable of thinking about more than one thing.

I now associate Trump with Jan 6, Epstein, ICE and his failed war in Iran amongst many other things.

The reality is lots of Americans are Trump apologists and agree with what he's doing. That's why there isn't more outrage or action.

I think it wasn't just distraction from the Epstein files. It was also a way to manipulate the stock market. I.e. buy stocks, start a war that will raise those stocks as a side effect, then sell them. I just have no way to prove it

The people who would be upset about ICE or corruption or Epstein are already upset about it. Everyone else is a collaborator or a bystander that's varying levels of contemptible. Nobody is really going to be swayed by "distractions."

What I dislike most about this narrative is the idea that if we stayed locked in on Epstein or what have you, it would all be over.

Talking about problems doesn't inherently fix them.

If 7 hours of 4k footage of Donald Trump raping children were aired on every major news network, what would the American people do differently from what they're doing now? The correct answer for the vast, vast majority I think is "fuckall." Anyone who's paying attention can reasonably determine that Trump is a vicious sexual predator and client of trafficked women and children, but the only question that matters is "what is anyone going to do about it?"

Yeah I haven't bought this argument since day one of the whole thing. Trump didn't go to war to distract from Epstein or ICE, at least not as directly as you make it.

Pre-war polling saw that Trump's popularity was pretty much unchanged with likely R voters even through last summer, the December vote, and Bondi's firing. He's made it very clear he doesn't feel like he needs to win over new supporters, either, and with both houses still R at least through November, there wasn't much reason for him to care about Epstein. It was already out of the news and voters were buying the Bondi-scapegoat story.

The idea that Trump was actually super upset that people were mad about ICE and wanted a distraction is just funny. The show of force, shock, confusion, and coverage was the point, Stephen Miller said as much from day 1, and to reiterate: Trump wasn't losing any R votes over these policies.

Right wing media had both of these under control with a good spin on them. There was literally no reason to do something so obviously doomed and tank the one thing every American (apparently) cares about, gas prices, to distract from either of these stories that were already on their way out.

Trump started a war with Iran because 1) it's the thing Israel has been begging anyone to back them up on for fifty years and 2) he felt bullet proof (militarily and petrologically) after Venezuela.

/rant. I had a much better version of this typed up and then refreshed the page and lost it all :-)

He was acting under orders from Netanyahu

Israel stole even more of Palestine, as well as significant amounts of Lebanon

They'll keep stealing more while the rest of the world looks uncomfortably at their shoes for fear of being labelled antisemites

Not sure we have moved on from the Epstein files and Trumps involvement in them. I remember seeing lots of talk about the Epstein files all throughout the epic failure of a war.

I won't move on till the victims get their justice. Not even trumps death is gonna change that. It's not just about one very implicated orange fascist.

Almost all wars are the war of the oligarchs

Cope. It is the USA's war

More obviously than about any war in modern memory

Ooph that's a tough call. More obvious than Iraq 2? "WMDs!!" was even more of a joke in iraq than it currently is in iran, which is saying something.

They literally flew in military transports full of cash which remain unaccounted for, spent by the VP's company and a mercenary oligarch whose cruelty and graft were so well known he then had to change the name of his company twice.

And that's not even getting into the insanely illegal corruption that was the coalition provisional authority.

The strait of Malacca isn't an exclusive choke point like the strait of Hormuz or the Dardanelles. Ships can take other routes avoiding belligerent countries in the area. Even the Suez/bab al-mandab isn't an exclusive choke point, because you can still just go all the way around Africa, it's just a pain in the ass.

The Straits of Denmark, Hormuz, and Dardanelles are uniquely strategic choke points because the are the only seaward access points to their respective seas, Baltic, Persian and Black, which are controllable by one country and which other countries rely on.

A lot of ships pass through the strait of Malacca, but if it closed the alternative isn't very further away.

We don't have nuclear weapon and we're slowing running out of oil, so very unlikely.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."

— George W. Bush

When you vote for somebody who lied to you their first term, you're voting for whatever they want their second term.

Why would you believe voting for Trump was voting against wars? It makes no sense

Every single vote is a way to legitimize the American government and system, the American government was founded on the idea of invading other people. If Americans want to vote against wars maybe they should actually organize and go shoot their politicians instead of voting for the parties that have been nothing but warmongers and coup doers in the past century.

Whatever you like it or not the president of the usa represent the state. The usa and israel lost the war