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Republicans certainly go the extra mile though.
Because democrats enable them.
It is the same story in lots of countries now, with the pretend to be left (but center-right) party you go down and with the ultra right wing you go down quickly and on wheels
While I won’t argue that this has often been the role of the Democratic Party, and I have no doubt that it is a priority of the current party leadership, it is not an inherent function of the party. With our current electoral system, it is inevitable that our politics will be dominated by two parties. Republicans are the worse choice of the two on literally every single issue, including being less open than Democrats to changes to the electoral system itself. The solution, as leftists, is not to abandon the Democratic Party, but rather to take it over from within and elect party leadership focused on real change and not upholding the status quo. This approach is much more feasible and potentially much faster than trying to build a new party from the ground up, and much less destructive and painful for the people than violent revolution and the civil war that would likely ensue.
How do we the people create any true influence over the DNC? Aren't they like the final approver for a democratic presidential candidate? And the DNC board isn't elected by the people as far as I know. How could we ever have a true leftist democratic party if the DNC is running things?
They argued, and won in court, that they are a private corporation and voters are not entitled to fair elections and they are under no obligation to listen to the will of the voters regarding the candidates they select to win the nomination of their party
Just like in New York City. Get good candidates and elect them in the primaries.
We've had good candidates for decades. The party's attempts to kill their campaigns are sometimes unsuccessful.
While I won’t argue that this has often been the role of the Democratic Party, and I have no doubt that it is a priority of the current party leadership, it is not an inherent function of the party.
The purpose of a system is what it does.
My spouse is watching The Good Place, and just got to the end of season 3. There's a scene where one character is explaining to a council of people from heaven that life is so complex nowadays that nobody can get into heaven, and for the last 500 years not a single person can get into heaven.
The council then says they're going to spend 400 years forming a committee, and then that committee will spend 1000 years forming its own investigative committee to make sure there's no conflict of interest, THEN they'll investigate the system to see if there's a problem.
The first character then exclaims that I those 1400 years before the investigation even starts people will still be going to hell regardless of how good they tried to be.
The committee then states they are "deeply concerned" by that, which got me to start cackling.
The committee sums up my view of democrats.
Even if they are concerned by the daily atrocities and banality of evil, they're too concerned about doing things "by the book" and too concerned with the status quo changing that they are basically doing nothing. They might think they're acting swiftly, but the whole time all the people suffering are continuing to suffer.

They vote to fund ICE, Biden did nothing to release the Epstein files or go after obvious sedition in the name of bipartisanship. His SAVE act was desperately needed after he signed into law the inability to discharge overwhelming amounts of student debt in bankruptcy. He has personally voted to increase police funding. Obama started putting kids in cages and continued the funding of ICE. There's more but that's what's just on the surface of what I remember right now.
the actual mistake of politics is that we have given in to vibes-based voting instead of actually looking at policy proposals and commenting on those.
I think that’s a big reason many Americans don’t vote. It’s not really a choice, just the perception of a choice and the spectacle of a contest.
Democrats are far from perfect, but the gulf between Democrats and Republicans is immense and the false "both sides" rhetoric is tiring and a big reason why we're in this mess.
Do you think we'd have war in Iran, no USAID, and dismantled regulatory agencies if Kamala had won the last election? There is a choice.
No, I’ll agree with you in general, but I would also say that both sides are generally working for billionaires and operate generally as neoliberal parties. Biden even proudly confessed his capitalist convictions.
I don’t disagree that if this last election had gone differently we’d be in a different probably better position, but I also don’t think we have universal healthcare. Plenty more nuance to that than will fit in a comments section, but yes I agree but there’s a lot more to it and people hear democratic promises but don’t often see democratic action.
But also at this point it’s becoming less two neoliberal parties and more the neoliberal party and the fascist party, so yes I’ll 100% take the neoliberal over the fascist.
Neoliberals are fascist
The choice was almost always, come to choose the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately people think by not voting it will somehow make a difference, when in reality it just shows that people give up when it’s too hard and expect someone else to fix it.
The first basic step is always to keep the boulder from rolling further downhill by voting to prevent more decline. Given enough time, change can happen, you just have to realize it’s incredibly slow moving like evolution and requires more of us at the top instead of sitting on our hands and letting social influence turds fill the offices.
It isn’t like this can’t be retaken, it just requires more than one person taking office.
You are literally advocating for US imperialism in your BS reply
Democrats are far from perfect
Your daily reminder that BlueMaga liberals don't consider non-westeners to be human, because that's the only way you can describe active genocide as "not perfect"
Dems destroyed black lives matter and health care for all as well.
Only about 20% of eligible voters vote in the primaries. If we want candidates that will fight for our interests, we need to do more than simply voting Democrat in the general elections.
I’ve been using the following sites to find candidates that aren’t taking AIPAC money and are focused on supporting the working class:
A key part of protest voting is taking ownership of the election result. After the dems loose the election, regardless of whether your protest movement actually was causal for the loss, you need to claim that you are responsible, and if the dems don't meet your demands, they'll never win an election again.
Fuck the DNC. The day I watched their goons push & shove my friends & allies down the stairs of their DC HQ for peacefully protesting was the day I knew they really were the monsters they claimed to be trying to protect us from