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They prevent liberation by selling you back your chains with populous rhetoric and slogans
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My spouse is watching The Good Place, and just got to the end of season 3. There's a scene where one character is explaining to a council of people from heaven that life is so complex nowadays that nobody can get into heaven, and for the last 500 years not a single person can get into heaven.
The council then says they're going to spend 400 years forming a committee, and then that committee will spend 1000 years forming its own investigative committee to make sure there's no conflict of interest, THEN they'll investigate the system to see if there's a problem.
The first character then exclaims that I those 1400 years before the investigation even starts people will still be going to hell regardless of how good they tried to be.
The committee then states they are "deeply concerned" by that, which got me to start cackling.
The committee sums up my view of democrats.
Even if they are concerned by the daily atrocities and banality of evil, they're too concerned about doing things "by the book" and too concerned with the status quo changing that they are basically doing nothing. They might think they're acting swiftly, but the whole time all the people suffering are continuing to suffer.
I mean it's not subtle
This is why they worked so hard to convince anyone who cares to never vote. The only Dems who vote love the current party, as is clear by how hard they're crashing out over progressives in the primaries. You gotta push the needle incessantly.
You must not be American. Right now all branches of the Federal Government and the majority of states' governments are Republican. Democrats have absolutely no power to do anything but talk.
The US isn't a European style parliament where minority parties have some power.
You're right that Democrats are near-powerless right now, but it was only a few short years ago when they were in power. Let's not forget their actions.
When in power, they did not concern themselves with the daily atrocities or the banality of evil.
Their overwhelming support for the genocide in Palestine is just the tip of the banality iceberg.
Republicans spend a decade gaining supermajorities in state legislatures and packing the judiciary with republican judges.
Democrats spent a decade celebrating Hillary Clinton's imminent election.
Ask Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema if Democrats were really "in power." Republicans have been willing to shred the Constitution in order to get what they want, but it works primarily because they operate virtually in lock step with one another, even if they sometimes allow one member or another to vote No on some horrifying bill or another, so long as that No vote won't change the end result.
Democrats have the opposite problem: in recent memory they've only ever had the narrowest of majorities in Congress, and they're a bunch of cats on a good day, so there's always a few Democrats in vulnerable seats that will break with the party in order to maintain their "outsider" image with their purple district voters. Add on that Democrats for the most part don't want to shred the Constitution, and it's very difficult for them to achieve their goals.
And add on that most media in this country is owned and operated by billionaires and it constantly pushes the narrative that anything to the left of Ronald Reagan is basically Karl Marx, and you've got an electorate that is on balance very suspicious of things that, to a reasonable person, would obviously make the world a better place, like universal healthcare, free pre-K education, police reform, immigration reform, and so on.
The Democrats that do want to make the world a better place are essentially trying to play honest baseball with unreliable teammates, shitty coaches and managers, opponents who are 'roided out of their minds, and umpires who won't call objective balls and strikes. Even for the ones who are trying to improve things (and they do exist!) it's an appalling situation.
They were. They wielded power through people like Manchin and Sinema.
Well, that's all the party needs to do the only thing the party is for. Being the pawl on the ratchet.
Student loan forgiveness? Replacing Coal with Solar? Expanded ACA?
All gone under Trump. But both sides bad.
all things the Democrats didn't give us
Democrats gave it and Trump reversed it.
But you like it because you "sent a message" because "Kamala didn't earn your vote."
Trump is what you wanted. Trump is what you got.
you have no idea how I voted. but lying about whether I got student loan forgiveness isn't scoring you any points, nor is your bad faith accusation that I, or anyone who didn't vote for Trump, wanted trump.
re-Read the thread. You didn't make that claim and neither did I.
The thread is about policy, not you personally.
Democrats didn't give loan forgiveness
Basic human rights and dignity is what we wanted and the DNC didnt offer it so I did my best to not lift a finger to help the DNC this last election, after a lifetime of straight blue voting.
And I'll do it again if they keep running the worst candidates they think they can get away with. I'll take the quick death over the slow one, thanks. If that makes you mad, great, I'm past mad.
you missed genocide. How do you measure mass murder against the loss of student loan forgiveness? Not willing to take a stand on that? How about industrial scale rape with Epstein? The dems didnt handle that but its just not as important as replacing coal with solar huh?
I am American, and i am getting very tired of hearing "they CAN'T do things because they have to play by the rules!"
The rules they could change with a simple majority. And any rules they can plausibly make up as well. We can't ignore the Parliamentarian!
they could also jettison "My job is to keep the dems supporting Israel and nothing else" Schumer as the minority leader any time they wanted to with an internal democratic leadership vote. They only need a small number of dem senators to call for the internal vote, but it never gets called for. So evidently it's not just schumer-- it's the whole party's job.
What exactly do you expect them to do? Don't just say "something", be specific.
Encourage people to take power into their own hands by any means necessary. Stop downplaying and condemning the use of violence to get shit done. If a city needs to burn down and cops need to die, then so be it.
So your big plan is either a cross between and unwinnable civil war and a terrorist movement guaranteed to drive people away from the cause.
Sure.
I'm not going to join in on your suicide by cop plan, but you go ahead. Pull a Luigi, make it count. Otherwise, wait until after November so that if wide scale uncivil disobedience becomes necessary, it will be seen as justified and not some psycho lashing out.
no, you can't prove this
Keep their promises when we put them in power and stop supporting genocide.
Harris would be president right now if she would have just said she'd end the genocide, and no other changes. Progressives dont need purity, they need the most basic , basic floor of human dignity and thats not on offer from the DNC and people like yourself, chaogomu. And you know it.
Under the US system, they have no more power than you. The military and the FBI are legally loyal to the President. Congressional representatives have no army.
Why don't you do something more than talk?
I'm doing far more to help people than the democrats as a whole.
Literally any one of the things I volunteer for put me ahead of the majority of them.
Why don't you stop making excuses for people who don't care about you?
Trump is worse than biden. But biden is a genocidal piece of shit just like everyone who still carries water for him.
It's funny that when the roles are reversed and democrats have majorities, they're still powerless. They're just malingering and useless.
That's an insufficient "get out of accountability for four years of deliberate betrayal plus genocide" card.
It's funny how when Republicans are the minority power, they get everything they want, when Republicans are the majority power they get everything they want. But when Democrats are in either position, they can't do anything.