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Lion kills businessman at luxury safari lodge in Namibia after he stepped out of tent to use toilet (www.cbsnews.com)

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[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 69 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

First off, lions rarely attack humans. Most notable repeat cases have been found to have been the result of a tooth abbess that makes it hard for the lion to hunt its usual prey. This was likely just bad timing, and a lion hanging around a camp waiting for interested prey like warthogs to also be interested in food scraps.

If the tent didn't have a full bathroom attached, then this wasn't "luxury." Full stop. Even an en suite bathroom attached to the tent doesn't cross the line into "luxury" at some camps. But that doesn't mean they won't spray "luxury" all over the website of any camp with mattresses and a lodge restaurant to justify the upcharge.

Next, he was a local, staying in an elevated tent, likely on top of his car. I doubt he paid more than $20 a night got there stay.

As for all you people saying "well good" because he was a "businessman" keep in mind that the media simplifies things like a person's whole life into a word, and would do the same to you. He owned an Off Road Centre, a place that kits out 4x4s for exactly the kind of thing he was doing, camping on the Skeleton Coast. That being said, being a person of British descent in Namibia that was a young adult during the Apartheid era....eesh.

If you feel you MUST hate this person, that's your only real avenue and you all don't even understand that. Hate will consume you, and makes you stupid. Maybe try not being a dick and accepting this is clickbait with limited detail because of only contains enough info to piss you off.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

At the same time, one can say that all the hate is a sign of how bad things are for so many people (mentally in this case). They are so desperate for someone to pay for crimes committed upon them and others, they will hate a rando because the news called him a businessman.

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You're saying that being angry makes it acceptable to be stupid as well. That being downtrodden not only doesn't offer the opportunity to be smart about it, that instead the oppressed can't be free to do much other than be hateful assholes.

Cool. Cool cool cool. Was that already written inside your MAGA hat from a factory in China? Or did you have to write it in there next to your own name so you didn't forget that either?

Edit: the last part is slight /s since I know you don't really mean that, but its a slippery slope.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

More like, people do dumb things under significant stress. This is already know. So we can focus on that or focus on the cause.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What about the lions The Ghost and The Darkness? Your saying a tooth ache caused them to kill so many men?

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's listed on their wiki as a possible reason.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsavo_Man-Eaters

Suffocating a struggling zebra requires a healthy song jaw and teeth. One wrong tooth starts to hurt and suddenly the lion can't hunt large prey anymore. Humans are very easy to kill relative to usual lion prey, so we're the blended ham and peas at the nursing home.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 3 points 5 days ago

So, we can protect ourselves by giving lions better dental care.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 64 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Sounds like this person wasn't a trophy-hunting motherfucker like Donald Jr. or Eric or the fat fuck from Jimmy Johns. (And therefore, in my book, a genuine tragedy.)

Still, when nature can't feed itself (and the article states food is depleted due to drought) animals can and will attack humans. This was the risk he took.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

He's still going to get hate here for being wealthy, which necessarily means he's not paying workers the true value of their labor.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I mean, do you HAVE to be wealthy to do a safari camp out thing?

https://www.nwr.com.na/

Looks like the nice spots (not in a tent) are around N$ 4,030.

https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=4030&From=NAD&To=USD

$225. US.

So I could stay at a Namibian resort for 8 days for $2,000. That's not like Bezos money or anything. The airfare would likely cost more.

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Not at all. Especially in Namibia.

Edit: if there wasn't an en suite bathroom attached to the tent, its not fancy. En suite tents are absolutely a thing.

Source: lived in southern Africa for a while, did a lot of sketchy car camping that included many, many opportunities to be killed on the way to the toilet at 2:00am.

[–] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It can get expensive obviously, but you can also do it for a reasonable cost. Like almost any other holiday to a foreign country.

Some luxury camps are well over $1000US a night even in the offseason. But there are also many to choose from that aren’t nearly that much. If moving around, you could fly between camps, but you can also drive. It’s up to you. There are many youtube videos about it.

And as you’ve stated, the airfare itself is something to contend with if traveling to the other side of the planet.

[–] match@pawb.social 3 points 5 days ago

Being able to take a week off work is bourgeoisie, probably

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Big jump to conclusions here.

Can the guy not run an honest business make money? It looks like he started a business in Namibia that rented and sold 4x4s and other Safari stuff and that he donated a significant amount of money to wildlife preservation, specifically and ironically to protect the lion population.

I have no idea how wealthy he was, but he wasn't billionaire class, and has a solid track record. Perhaps more info will come out, but it's super shitty to say that someone got wealthy on the backs of other with nothing to back it up.

Everything I'm finding on the guy is that he was a big philanthropist that has dedicated a good portion of his life to defending Lions and nature. Unless you've got something better than, "hur dur, wealthy man got killed . Good", then your just an asshole.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 1 points 5 days ago

I was being ironic, but my genuine comment in the opposite direction is also getting criticism. Economics arguments are very contentious here.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

If that's true, then he deserves it.

*EDIT: I love that people will say 'hey, read up before forming an opinion', and just ignore that I'm literally not forming an opinion and acknowledging it's because I don't know. This is very unreasonable.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

If what's true? He had money? Maybe read up on the dude for a minute and make a real opinion. Sounds like the guy was a stand-up individual.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You're saying that a man deserves to die by lion attack if he has money.

Lemmy is a cesspool sometimes.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

False.

I'm saying a man deserves to die by lion attack if he robs people of their labor. Also, this is a hypothetical, as the first part of the sentence "if that's true" means we're discussing a hypothetical and not expressing an opinion on this specific case.

...not that I'd expect random folks on Lemmy to understand nuance, and maybe don't simply make things up and put words in other people's mouths while you're at it. Thank you.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago

Oh - I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I understood it was a "hypothetical". And it's still awful and you should be ashamed of yourself..

[+] AmidFuror@fedia.io -9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Meh. True value is debatable. What value did the person who came up with the idea and the person who risked capital to make it happen contribute?

[–] aileks@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

how's the boot taste?

[–] Lt_AldoRaine@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago

Lemmy never disappoints. I like it here.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What is the lowest wages/(wages+profits) (after all energy, taxes, transport, marketing costs are removed) ratio that workers should tolerate? I'd say a min of 70%, but OECD countries have slipped to 55%.

PS: Bear in mind that this microeconomic wage share links up with inequality macroeconomically. And inequality leads to the decay of democracies and rule of law (because with depressed wage share economic indicators you may still have great growth numbers, but if nobody feels it in their wallet, they go vote for the loudest village idiot)

I'm just writing this to be more constructive than the average tankie, but to also make it clear that the neoliberal approach to things has unintended social consequences that end up eating your pretty conceptions of markets, risk, investment and innovation and people are growing tired of it. FDR knew this, but nobody high up seems to care anymore about regulating these forces, because that would be "socialism".

[–] Case@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 5 days ago

In the grand scheme of things, we're all animals.

Push any of us far enough, starve us enough, etc.

This is why we have self-defense laws. It is inherently understandable that under duress a person (or lion) will act outside of their usual nature to secure food, shelter, or safety.

That being said, this is no way in defense of any mass-shooter types. There is a difference between self-defense and mass-murder.

[–] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 5 days ago

What times are we living in that people need to discuss the wealth of a random dying person via snippets of random news articles to establish whether or not it is sad they died.

Sorry, I find that disgusting. In a case of a very public person, sure. In this case, nope.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 14 points 5 days ago

Man, I really wish I could afford to go on a safari like that ... if it's not clear, I mean the safari that lion had, I wanna join on the side of lions.

Similarly with the orca yachting.

[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

According to the Daily Mail, Kebbel was a philanthropist who supported wildlife conservation in Namibia...

[–] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The lion does not concern himself with philanthropy

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

um, this lion specifically did like human. 🙃

[–] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but he didn't care that the dude was a philanthropist

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

maybe philanthropists taste better

[–] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure they do. Sweet, probably.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

so maybe the lion did care

[–] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

No I spoke to the lion and he said he wasn't concerned. "Good guy or not," he said, "I was just fuckin (sic) hungry."

[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 18 points 5 days ago

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

Nice to have a break from all the face eating leopard stories.

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Why are all the comments defending him having money? The article has nothing about that, and the "luxury" part of the article isn't about his wealth. It's about a fancy resort not being secure. And "safari lodge" does not mean "hunting lodge"

Are there tons of hidden comments I'm missing? Are people preemptively assuming comments will complain? Or is everyone's reading comprehension that bad?

[–] ReasonablePea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

anyone else see a lion facing it off with a mastodon?

[–] Hyphlosion@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

Does Ice Age count?

[–] vala@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago

Hell yeah.