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A grim poll shows most Jewish Israelis support expelling Gazans. It's brutal - and true (www.haaretz.com)

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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking

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[+] pachrist@lemmy.world -29 points 3 days ago (18 children)

It's an oversimplification, but it's like an older brother and a younger brother sharing a room. They hate each other. They're always messing with each other's stuff. The older brother knows better, but he's angry and tends to be abusive. The younger brother knows he shouldn't pick a fight, but can't help himself. They've both been fighting so long that each feels justified in hurting the other.

Who's at fault is the wrong question. Is it the 7 year old? He's 7. Is it the 12 year old? He's a kid too, just bigger and stronger. Both lack the maturity and empathy to be in charge and have the run of things. They've both proven they're entirely incapable of being fair or kind to each other.

It's the parents' fault for letting it happen. Or in this case, enabling both kids and giving them tips and tricks for how to fight better.

We can't expects Israel or Palestine to be the adults in the room. They aren't. They can't. We can't expect ourselves to be the adults in the room. We're watching these kids beat themselves bloody for our amusement.

Until someone puts their foot down and says enough is enough, nothing will change, but the person who says that and lays down their weapons probably gets killed. So this won't end until one side exterminates the other.

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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I can't trust a poll that claims nearly universal support for a Genocidal government. A phony poll like that would be exactly the kind of propaganda an immoral government would spread.

Here in America, if the MAGA Nazi government claimed 82% supported them, I would literally laugh at it.

Governments like Israel and MAGA can't be trusted with anything. They are ALWAYS lying.

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[+] the_wiz@feddit.org -21 points 4 days ago (21 children)

The thing is: I can understand them.

If you are part of a minority that was trampled on for a long, long period of time, being targeted for anhiliation and now, having a somewhat safe nation for not even 80 years within a sea of other nations wanting to destroy them... well, i absolutely can understand them to ensure their safety whatever it takes. Yeah, it may not be pretty (or to be more precise: Often outright gross), it may not be "fair"... but i can understand that they don't want to take any chances.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I agree, but I will add that they are also indoctrinated from a young age to hate or fear the Palestinians. I don't really think the long history means as much other than an excuse to continue the indoctrination.

I mean if I grew up being told the neighbor was a dangeous crazy heathen that is hell bent on killing me. And that neighbor occasionally threw explosives over the fence. I would want them gone no matter if they had a good reason or what not.

Article is walled, so I couldn't read it. But I bet the questions were setup to differentiate expelling them from killing them. So I can understand a lot of people wanting the Palestinians gone. That doesn't mean the same number agree with what is being done to make it happen.

[–] the_wiz@feddit.org 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I agree, but I will add that they are also indoctrinated from a young age to hate or fear the Palestinians. I don’t really think the long history means as much other than an excuse to continue the indoctrination.

The same could be said for the other side... which is the reason i think this conflict is absolutely hopeless...

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[–] menas@lemmy.wtf -2 points 4 days ago (21 children)

This poll is disgusting

Why do you inquiry people based on their religion, and not their social class or nationality ? Or their implication in the settlements ? They may have interesting numbers their, but this poll decided to racialize the conflict.

Why shall we trust a poll in fascist state at war, that conclude that the leader have the support of the nationality of that fascim ? That really seems like propaganda.

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