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[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 11 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Ghost guns cannot be made entirely from consumer grade 3d printable parts, they require machined components such as firing pins and barrels so that the gun would fire reliably.

If this was about safety, why not police the purchase of said components?

Because it's not about safety. It's about making sure that you have less control. And especially so you can't create or repair the things you own. Because that would be harmful to the capitalists in charge.

Why do you think cars have gotten more and more complex over time and you're not allowed to repair them?

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 1 points 1 hour ago

No no, you can print a whole gun. The liberator design is one of these. The ATF have some videos of ones they made, some of which don't explode.

Its still stupid since a zipgun is two pipes and a nail and a spotweld.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

They should outlaw nuts and bolts. They are used in production of a lot of destructive items.

Also, certain metals.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its not about the guns.

Its about making sure you can't replace that little plastic part that broke, requiring you to buy an entire new item.

I fixed a bread machine with an Ender-3 once. And then a machine that was destined for the trash lasted for a few more years, all the while making loaves of bread that I didn't have to buy from the store.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you're in America, I think this makes you a terrorist.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Not yet but give it time. Causing the Line To Go Down will be a felony.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

anyone else planning on flooding this new "system" with garbage data?

don't try to ddos it, just make it prohibitively expensive.

you know those dumb fucks will use AI to do it.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems like a stupid thing to go after considering Americans have been killing themselves with guns before 3D printers were widely available.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This has nothing to do with guns.

They want to install software blocks that makes sure no one prints copyright figures or DIY replacement parts, while watching printers for unique IP to steal.

Today, 100% of things being designed are fast prototyped in plastic with 3D printers.

Not sure why the printing community is worried now, when AutoCAD has been forcing designs to their cloud servers for a decade, which is about IP theft.

People have made guns in prisons.

This is a fucking joke.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 129 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

The dumbest part is: it is perfectly legal to make a gun for 99% of Americans. The entire 'ghost gun' attack angle is doomed to failure.

And it isn't just 3D printing; the New York bill includes all computerized manufacturing; it very explicitly includes CNC machines, for example. They are taking down entire manufacturing sectors to go after an unwinnable goal.

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I remember when the news talked about ghost guns that they'd always bring up this CNC machine that would build AR lowers, the part that is legally "the gun". I'm pretty sure it was the ghost gunner.

I read into it and got on forums. There was a poster who bought the machine and, because of legal reasons, had to get his friends to come push the start button so that they were making their own guns and not the poster making guns for others. Apparently, he got visited by the ATF, but basically got told he's walking a fine line.

I can make my own ghost gun with a hand drill and a template you can buy online. a motivated person will always be able to find a way to do things, but its actually easier to just find someone to sell you a cheap illegal gun if you're gonna commit a crime than to go through the whole trouble of building one yourself.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can't actually print a working gun out of plastic, you need metal parts. People think 3D printers are Star Trek replicators.

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I saw a YouTube vid on 3d printing guys building glock based guns. Anything that actually took pressure (barrel, springs, extractors, etc) were store bought metal parts.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

well duh. There's a reason guns are made of metal.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 23 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I dunno why they don't just outlaw manufacturing your own firearms without a license...

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They would prefer to outlaw manufacturing anything without paying rent seekers.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 19 points 2 days ago

Seems that way. Next up is licensing fees for printing certain models. Basically they'd like to get as far as when Picard says "Tea, Earl Grey, hot" the replicator says "Brought to you by Lipton. Taste good, feel good. You have 49 remaining replicator credits."

[–] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago

The don’t want to send a case to the Supreme Court that would rule on the side of homemade firearms.

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[–] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Its not like I can't buy a mill press and caliper and make a lower. I already have the jig that makes it even simpler.

With the gig all I need is a hobby drill press.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have faith that the independent 3D printing community will continue to hack its way around printer DRM.

I also have faith that printers that can be modified to print guns (or anything else too spicy for government) will sell better than printers that cannot.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean you can just build one. Presumably there's bugger all they can do about Voron. Slicers are open source, firmware is open source, plans are open source and there are open source controllers.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 20 hours ago

Heh. Ghost printers.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I like how now all of a sudden we forgot that you can make a gun out of hardware store plumbing… this seems like an intentional way to make sure that people can’t make things without paying the oligarchs. I think the fact that we are getting close to being able to make 90s level tech in garages is scaring the tech bros.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

this seems like an intentional way to make sure that people can’t make things without paying the oligarchs. I think the fact that we are getting close to being able to make 90s level tech in garages is scaring the tech bros.

Nah, I suspect it's a way for the politicians to look like they're doing something about gun violence without, y'know, actually doing anything about gun violence. Or just generally to distract from what they're doing on other issues. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" stuff.

[–] TheRedSpade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Realistically, it's both.

[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can make a gun out of a pipe, a nail and a rubber band. Home made guns aren't anything new.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We need to ban hardware stores. For the children.

[–] eldebryn@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

We need to ban hardware stores. For the children.

This is literally the endgame for fasc-flavored feudalistic capitalism.

No tools, only products. No ownership, only leasing.

At least for common folk. The Aristocrat trillionaires obviously have royal blood that makes crops grow and current run through PCBs, therefore rules don't apply to them and they get to have anything they want while everyone else is a slave.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm sorry, but while I have no plans to print one, if I ever buy a 3D printer, I will make damn sure that it can print one.

I would not spend my money on a borked machine that would control what I print.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

That would be as useless as a BMW turn signal.

[–] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Agreed, they start the lock down with "Its for the Children" so they can control the printer. Then the next is, that widget/doohickey is patented and you cant print it.

And lets be real you know this lock down will spit out all kinds of false positives basically making it an expensive brink...

Oh and you know all will have to have an internet connection to operate.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago

This is all part of technology enclosure.

The goal is that you will only be able to use technology in the service of the oligarchy.

Take care of your old systems with unlocked motherboards, you'll need them.

[–] evadersnack@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I find it quite hard to believe it would be able to detect innocuous, dual-use, off the shelf components spread out over a dozen prints.

Even US export controls can’t prevent that, only delay and cause irritation.

[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you can download gun breakdown files online for use in videogames, you can even crack games that already exist with those files present. you can also just model them yourself for free in blender. theres literally no way to stop literally anyone from making their own guns. the unabomber made one in his shack with spare parts and basic tools decades before 3d printers were a thought in the publics minds.

if there is a will, there is a way

[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 43 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Seems like bullshit when you can make a more reliable firearm from leas that $20 in parts from any hardware store.

Also "ghost guns" are perfectly legal in the US.

I wonder what the true reason for them attacking 3D printing, home CNC, etc. is...

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 35 points 2 days ago

Too many people are coming up with ways to repair or enhance items that don’t enrich the OEM.

These laws are the DMCA of the physical world. This is stage 4 malignant capitalism, where they claim their true dominion over us all.

Play by the rules: You exist, they make money off your existence, nothing changes.

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[–] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 day ago

zip gun has entered the chat

It's basically at the thought-crime level of threatening, although a bit more real. More importantly, it's an excuse industries that are threatened can lock on to so they don't have to worry about low cost alternatives. A metal rod and some gunpowder = ghoster gun.

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