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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 21 hours ago

how does the article not even mention graphene too?

[–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here's the real thing. Without custom ROM you are not only at Google's mercy but at the mercy of the carrier, who gets paid to install loads of junk you can't remove. Adware and surveillance is the goal here, and the ability to remove it is the target.

[–] passenger@sopuli.xyz 14 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

This is not true at least here. There are no vendor locked phones AFAIK. Idk why, maybe another EU boss move. You need to start regulating this shit across the pond.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 3 points 21 hours ago

there's also chinese phone users..

they're not great since those also have locked bootloader though

[–] ZebraGoose@sh.itjust.works 146 points 1 day ago

Gonna save You a click:

"LineageOS says Google’s new developer verification system will not affect devices running its custom ROM."

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago (2 children)

*directly

Several projects have already announced sunsetting in light of this announcement. It's hard to predict what will come of even major projects like F-Droid, but there will absolutely be a major cooling effect on the entire platform.

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

But why? As far as I know these projects make money from donations and surely the people that donate would have a custom ROM or root, speaking of which, there are app installers that work with Shizuku

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

There's been app whose developers stopped after no longer being able to publish to the Google Play Store, even though they also published to F-Droid.

I don't know why, but the "cooling effect" is certainly real.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

Yep. In some cases, Google play sales subsidize FOSS users. In other cases, if the user count is not high enough through all sources, it's just not worth it for the devs to keep working on a niche project. F-Droid users are a tiny fraction of users, and ROM users are a fraction of F-Droid users.

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[–] RiQuY@lemmy.zip 38 points 1 day ago

Any Android custom ROM basically.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The funny thing is this will kill the premium android phone market harder than any other move Google could make.

Incompetent losers, Google is such a massive waste of resources.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I do not understand this statement.

You mean if it's not possible to easily sideload apps, people won't buy premium android phones?

Because if that's the reason, iPhones would be a massive failure.

If everyone in the world was like me and you, yes, the most popular phone would be the fairphone and maybe they would even sell it with a Linux ROM, while iPhones and other phones with locked bootloaders would be impossible to sell even at 95% discount, but we account for the 0.0001%

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Installing any apps I want is the only reason I'm on android, if I have to suck it up and bend over backwards for my phone company, I'd buy apple, it's a much better phone most of the time, better build quality, lasts a few more years both hardware level and security update level.

I mean I'm not switching, but some family members who rely on me for advice on what phone to buy, I don't think I can recommend android in good faith.

[–] PeroBasta@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Yes but ther's dozens of us.....

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

almost nobody i know irl installs apps outside google play through direct APK installs (or f-droid)

[–] Adonis1172@feddit.uk 1 points 13 hours ago

I run custom apps so its going to slow me down a little having to go through the google dev stuff now. Ive already got a account, I just hope it doesnt slow down the testing phase of the projects.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This won't even dent the premium phone market.

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[–] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I feel like you're overestimating the number of people who buy a Google or Samsung device because they want to install third party apps. A lot of them buy an Android device because they just don't like Apple. Most folks don't install anything from anywhere other than the Play Store because they don't even know there are other choices.

In general, people's preferences are most often born from whatever their first device was, and nothing more, with little interest in what they can do with it other than what's required of them.

[–] 79WistfulVista@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I wish that were true. But most consumers buy a phone based on a few metrics - the screen (large, bright, vibrant), fast CPU/GPU (mobile gamers), cameras, storage capacity, software support longevity, battery life, general bling (colors, shiny), and pre-chosen platform/cult (Android, iOS).

Techies like us care. But we're very much the exception, not the rule.

And if sideloading can be unlocked and available after a 24-hour wait - as Google suggests - then it'll matter even less.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 24 points 1 day ago

This isn't going to move the needle at all. Most normal people don't give a shit, and unfortunately the normal people out number us by a lot.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 11 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Yes. Provided you find a phone that can unlock the bootloader and you are fine in losing banking app, government issued apps and such amenities....

Given that Samsung and Xiaomi doesn't let you unlock anymore.... Unless you are ok giving money to Google to buy a pixel, new or used, there are really little choices currently. Nothing phones, a few motorola (hit and miss...).

For example, we have digital ID that you can load on the phone your ID card and driving license, which is not allowed on unlocked phones. Also, McDonald app doesn't work on unlocked phones ...

So good luck hoping people will use custom Roms, even less than before. Google is fucking us a small step a time.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

For example, we have digital ID that you can load on the phone your ID card and driving license, which is not allowed on unlocked phones.

Yeah that's a problem, one only you and your government can fix, but it is indeed an issue.

Also, McDonald app doesn't work on unlocked phones ...

My brother the McDonald app is spyware, it only exists to sell your data to brokers who sell it to advertisers and the NSA. If you're just going to install spyware anyway there's no purpose to switch to a custom ROM. Is all your message data, files, etc, really worth $1.00 off a McChicken?

[–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just lock the bootloader again? I don't have Google on my Android and can use banking apps and most others that don't have a hard requirements on some Google API.

[–] Willdrick@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most phones can't even relock the bootloader. And newer Samsung ones can't even get flashed. Recent updates removed even the ability to flash a custom recovery

[–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vote with your wallets. You don't own your Samsung devices.

[–] Willdrick@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Its not much of a vote if they change the conditions after casting it. I was on a note 10+ running lineageos just fine, got the opportunity to "upgrade" to this s22 ultra for free, and got screwed over by Samsung not even a month later

[–] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's easy enough to work around most of it, with web apps. You can even install them to have separate icons. Granted, there are some things that are impossible, like digital ID, but there aren't any that fundamentally affect phone usability, for my personal use.

What's holding me up is work stuff. I get a stipend to have a work phone, so I just use my personal device, but I'm getting a separate device for work soon so I can cut out everything Google/Microsoft on me personal device. Digital control and privacy matters.

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[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago

I'd rather not be able to have a digital ID on my phone if I have to allow a company full access to scan my stuff, how do I know they won't delete my ID at some point and just say it is what it is?

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Tech sucks now. Nothing I own is truly mine anymore. And things are getting more and more locked into vendor platforms where you actually rent stuff instead of own stuff

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