Pelicanen

joined 2 years ago
[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

then because of the mods who moved from Reddit to here. They hated that their power was taken away on Reddit so they jumped ship and now get to make their own rules without having to answer to Reddit admins

Combined with your earlier comments, this seems like saying that moderators only moved to Lemmy because they wanted more power which seems almost revisionist. Moderating is a shitty job, a lot of people do it just because they care about their online communities, and many moderators moved from Reddit to Lemmy specifically because they cared about their communities and how what Reddit was doing was ruining them.

Most of them just defederate from any instance that doesn’t highly censor views they don’t like

So, what is your alternative? We should force people to be on platforms that they don't want and have to spend all day blocking people who thrives on antagonizing them? You can just go on those other instances, you don't have to interact with the ones that are, in your words, so authoritarian.

If you don’t ban people they don’t need to create multiple accounts. You just block and move on and they’ll continue doing their thing while you don’t see it. Win-win.

Why wouldn't they create more accounts to get around the blocks? Not to mention other reasons for making more accounts, for example making it seem like your opinion has more widespread support than it actually does.

You’re a typical “everyone I disagree with is a Nazi bigot” who craves censorship and authoritarian leadership because you can’t handle people having differing opinions by the looks of it

And now it sounds like you ran out of things to say, so the only thing left is to try and discredit my character. I am fine with people having different opinions than I do, that's how the world works, but it sounds to me like you're suggesting that discussing income tax rates is the same as disagreeing with someone about whether genocide is acceptable or not. They're not the same thing. Having good-faith discourse and pushing disinformation are not the same thing.

It should be on the onus of the person being a dick to stop being a dick to get to interact with others in their communities, not for the people who aren't being dicks to spend a bunch of their time and energy having to filter out all the dicks. If you disagree with that, you can whenever you want, go to a different community where people have the same opinion as you, but saying that people only want moderation because they can't handle someone else's opinion without "losing their minds" sounds disingenuous at best.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Where did you address them? You just claim that

almost every Lemmy instance is the same, many significantly worse in terms of how authoritarian they are

Without any explanation for why that would be the case whereas I have not have at all had the same experience. Therefore, I don't see how it relates to federated social media at all.

Furthermore, you just state that

some of us just want a place with zero bans and which unless you break the law with your speech, zero bans and moderation

And to just "block them and move on". Honestly, I don't want my time using social media to be spent having to personally block multiple accounts (by people who will probably make more accounts) because they're racists, misogynists, foreign bot farms, etc. Furthermore, I don't want my content and my comments to be used, knowingly or otherwise, to prop up comment sections and threads that are spreading disinformation and bigotry.

If you want that, that's fine. Go to one of those places. But from what I've seen, they are usually where nazis end up congregating, which is one reason why I (and at least some other people) prefer to avoid them.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz -1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

As you mentioned, Reddit had a huge problem with moderators who banned without just cause so this is in no way related to decentralization. If you want zero moderation then you're free to join one of the instances that have that as a guiding principle, but that is almost inevitably where all the nazis end up, which is why the rest of us avoid them.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Can also mention that the far-right party in Sweden is currently not in the government, they have an agreement with the government on what they should enact in order to receive their support but they hold no offices.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This reads a bit like "that hasn't happened to me so that doesn't happen".

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago

Two vowels after the K, Käärijä.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The UN only has power insofar as other countries agree that it does. If they start taking harsher stances, countries will start pulling out of the UN which defeats its whole purpose.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 months ago

Would be much easier to counter if there was a functional system of checks and balances or a well-educated population that'd hold their leaders accountable, but here we are.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 15 points 8 months ago

It doesn't quite feel right for other countries have to send their citizens to fight and die against a former ally just because American citizens can't hold their government accountable.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 months ago (5 children)

If I'm not mistaken, the US spends more on military than the rest of NATO combined. How do you imagine a military engagement against the US would end for us?

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sweden, long known for being neutral (up until joining NATO last year) and peaceful, can by law compel every single swedish citizen between the ages of 16 and 70 to serve during wartime.

Exactly as you state, almost every sovereign country on the planet likely has some version of this.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 4 points 8 months ago (5 children)
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