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[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 77 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (17 children)

El Salvador's regime has already sent 80k people to gulags since 2022, and capitalism found it cheaper to outsource US gulags to poor countries, the same way it did for manufacturing. Rather ironic, really.

Also, Trump's definitely making money off the deal somehow. It isn't realistic to airlift tens of thousands of Americans there though. This is just the start. They'll probably start building domestic death camps soon; to disappear the bulk of the undesirables.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 50 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

capitalism found it cheaper to outsource US gulags to poor countries

It is more of a way to sidestep the judicial process. The executive branch can act faster than the judicial branch in removing someone from the country before appeals. Once the person is in a foreign country, they are no longer in custody of someone under the control of American judges.

It isn't a cost saving measure, it is a legal loophole.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

It's far more expensive in the long run anyway.

[–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Facists don't really care. V2 rockets were more expensive and less effective tactically than panzer tanks, but the Naxis built the rockets...

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No that was one of the few successes, v2 were ineffective weapons they were however incredibly effective acts of terror.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Terror is not an effective tactic to end a war. It only motivates the enemy more.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No one said it was to win the war itself it was too demoralize England and it worked in large part until Germany started getting carpet bombed and the dichotomy exampled the British isles relative safety.

[–] Grimtuck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As someone that is British I take exception to the idea the V2 rocket somehow demoralised us, even temporarily. It takes a lot more than that to break us. It was a scary weapon, sure. But it didn't reality make the reality of the war that much worse than it already was.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can take offense at history but it's a fact constant air raids were a major demoralizing factor. That's not a shameful thing, its a natural reaction and no amount of "stuff upper lip"-ing really changes that.

It was a scary weapon, sure.

What's another word for scary? Terror. It's a terror weapon not a practical weapon.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That's the thing though, they weren't demoralising. Bombing civilians is always pointless and has no measurable effects on the military outcome(except if they hit a factory that is making weapons or something like that). The Allies did make the same mistake though, in bombing civilians thinking it was demoralising the Nazis...

https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/the-bomber-mafia

The only thing bombing civilians garuntees is that your enemy will continue fighting, so if you're wanting to conduct a genocide without using death camps, its quite effective for that...

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You just admitted they were.

We just discussed how they were ineffective militarily.

That did succeed though.

What is this podcast supposed to do exactly?

Lastly "Nuh uh" is a bad argument.

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