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Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn't it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

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[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 17 points 1 week ago (5 children)

For the first time ever in my life, I see someone claiming that China is left-wing. Left and authoritarian are usually at the opposite spectrums.

[–] drapermache@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

That is what Animal Farm was talking about - that authoritarianism can take over any political ideology. It isn't a anti-communism book, but anti-authoritarianism.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

You must have .ml blocked

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Communism is supposed to be a left-wing position right? But I'm saying I'm not sure I would see China as properly leftist given their behaviour. Wanting to take external territory potentially by force seems imperialist to me, and I would see imperialism as a right-wing behaviour.

I think you need to have a clearer idea of what left wing and communism are, how the CCP, PRC, and China are different, and know the CCP's argument for Taiwain is. Relately, it would be important to know the ROC's claim as well.

Once you know what communism is, you'll have to ask yourself is the PRC communism? Can a single nation state be communist? How can a single party be legitimately move a government to communism through authoritarian means? How would it work otherwise? Is the CCP position on Taiwain imperialism? Does that argument hold water?

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Communism does not exist. I consider myself a leftie but I don't believe in communism, it has never worked and will never work.

What lefties actually believe in (including those who think communism can work) are social systems (part of socialism, which looks like communism, but that's the difference - balance versus extremity). China's social systems are supposedly very good, but they're still capitalists (which isn't necessarily bad if the government does it's job like in most of EU and according to many - China)

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

Tell that to Mao and Stalin's victims.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

from what i've learned (through experience, not through books), left-wing people don't like oppression and control as long as they're the ones being controlled.

as soon as they're the one controlling others, however, the tide changes. you can see this in germany where self-described leftists want to tell other people that they can't drive fossil fuels driven cars anymore ("gegen die Technologieoffenheit") or that everybody has to install a heat pump in their homes. the complete opposite of letting other people live their lifes un-interfered. all of this is justified with the supposed "higher good" (mitigating climate change). you can see where this is going ... authoritarianism, unfortunately.

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

But utilitarian measures are there to protect and improve lives. Banning fossil fuels would piss off a minority group, while saving orders of magnitude more human lives. Similar groups have whined about seatbelts, airbags, gas vs. electric/induction ranges, even the amount of water flowing in the toilet bowl.

It's not like there aren't alternatives to ICE vehicles, nor are people being limited in travel or told they can't drive. It will really only take one or two generations for the butthurt whining "authoritarianism" to become a footnote in history. By then, burning gasoline for basic travel will seem as ridiculous as keeping a horse and buggy at the ready does now.