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[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 136 points 5 days ago (8 children)

If we manage to escape the trump dictatorship, every soldier involved needs to be court-martialed and sentenced for following illegal orders.

[–] themoken@startrek.website 102 points 5 days ago (3 children)

This made me laugh. This is the same shit we've been doing for 100 years. "Illegal orders" aren't a thing when you use your imperial military to do imperialism. The last time we had a President that wasn't a war criminal was never.

[–] ElegantBiscuit@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah this is more like a return to the norm, just more blatant and overt. And even earlier than 100 years, before America was strong enough to reach out into the world and do this to other countries, it was manifest destiny against the indigenous. You won’t find a corner of this planet unmolested by American imperialism, and the hardest hit are still problems that persist to this day.

Whether it’s the Panama Canal, the Monroe doctrine, the Banana republics, or atrocities in Vietnam and Cambodia and Laos. Intervening in civil wars and conflicts that would eventually create Taiwan and South Korea and Israel as American vassal states built with the purpose of serving American interests. Fomenting a coup in Iran over oil which would usher in the Iranian revolution, or smashing Iraq which created a power vacuum for isis to form. Wherever and whenever America reaches out into the world, death and destruction will typically follow. And if it isn’t leaving a shattered and broken state for whoever is left to pick up the pieces, then it’s funding and arming one side of a war to create a satellite state to enrich itself which leaves a conflict ready to reignite at any moment.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago

Even Harrison?

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

FYI US soldiers involved in illegal orders in the USA are almost never court-martialed or even put on trial. The only one I can think of actually being convicted is the Mai Lai massacre way back in 1968. The US has become consistently more brazen in its flaunting of international law regarding war crimes and any policing of its armed forces through subsequent administrations since.

In fact its very rare for US troops or even military contractors brazenly ignoring orders and committing war crimes to even be put on trial, let alone be convicted. The most recent incident I can think of is the four Blackwater contractors during 'Operation Iraqi Freedom' that massacred 17 unarmed Iraqi civilians and injured 20 in Baghdad city. There was such overwhelming evidence in the case that they were convicted by a US court of murder (one member) and manslaughter (the other three) in 2014.

Even that was an unacceptable level of accountability for the Republicans, so Trump gave them all presidential pardons in his first term in 2020.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 8 points 4 days ago

They don't even prosecute foreign war criminals, much less their own. US Nuremberg trails had a <0.2% conviction rate for identified war criminals lol. Less than 1% of "major war criminals".

Criminal cops are paid instead of convicted.

There is 0 hope for any justice at all for these people unless the entire US government gets overthrown or something just as drastic.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The USA has done this many times (captured or even murdered heads of state, and anyone else they wish to), there has never been a court martial and nobody has ever been punished.

If you know of any exceptions, please share.

[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 days ago

You could march them in fucking shackles to the Hague and they would just handwave them away. Nobody is coming to fucking save us, and the sooner people wake the fuck up and realize that, the sooner we can start organizing valuable and competent community defense networks.

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Nope. But it should.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

This never happened in US history and I don't think americans have the spine to do anything even remotely close to this.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And then we should get all the world leaders in a big room and tell them they're being bad. Then they'll all sing and hold hands and stop all wars. And then later my mommy can make us all dino nuggies and we can watch Trollhunters on Netflix.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Y'know.... Of all the ridiculously stupid improbable absurdity that's happened...

... I'm kinda down for that one over whatever the frick we're living through at the moment lol.

And then later my mommy can make us all dino nuggies and we can watch Trollhunters on Netflix.

Your mom sounds cool. Call her and tell her she's cool. ❤️

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago

Sadly, we won't.