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First of all, I would firmly disagree with calling genuine ML(M)s "red fascists", which is historically disingenuous and, in the present, dangerously inaccurate, especially regarding today's global political climate.
I believe the rules of c/leftymemes are already expansive to prevent irrational idolization/glorification (i.e. exaggerating positive aspects or denying mistakes to the point of lying). However, stating historical fact, or using historical figures to subvert expectations, does not violate that.
Genuinely socialist memes of all stripes (!) have a place there as long as they adhere to the rules, which most do IMO. I admit that moderation could be more proactive and rules better enforced, but we don't get don't get a lot of reports either and currently the largest problem IMHO is the lib infestation in the comments...
When the proposed "solution" of the ML(M) would be to place me in a fascist regime with a red coat of paint and oppress me (if not outright murder me in the name of the revolution), I will fucking call them red fash.
There's a fine line between subverting expectations and glorifying authoritarian leaders, and the new crop of posts are hell bent on crossing over it just enough to not get caught.
Just an FYI that this is a massive "[citation needed]" moment, literally no-one advocates for anything like that or even just reimplementing past socialist experiments (which happened under wildly different material conditions), 1:1 today. I believe you are building strawmen...
Just showing them as characters in a meme != glorification IMHO (which is what has been happening in the posts that are still up, as far as I can tell).
How can you say that with a straight face, when there's a whole-ass instance glorifying North Korea?
Not to mention that nobody outright says that they're going to be oppressive. Lenin sounded great in ~~2017~~ 1917 when he was writing effectively anarchist praxis. We just know that the creation of a new state is going to inevitably end up oppressing and killing those who oppose creating a state.
Apologies for the wording, I meant that in the "genuine ML(M)" context
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Also I don't believe that to be unnuanced uncritical support that wants to blindly copy everything about it either, but largely geopolitical and critical support
Isn't that a No True Scotsman?
No? I'm writing from an anti-revisionist, revolutionary Marxist position.
Please also take this into account:
Cowbee is out there saying that China is their ideal model of communism, so I'm not going to be surprised if there's MLs who fucking love NK as it is right now. But I'm not going to delve into Lemmygrad to prove a point.
Unfortunately every Marxist position thinks they're the one true "anti-revisionist, revolutionary"
I tend to disagree with some of his takes, but in this instance you are being disingenuous. He does advocate for it, but not blindly and not uncritically, and mostly to highlight it's advantages over western models as support for a form "actually existing socialism" (which I disagree with). This for is not "their ideal model of communism", far from it actually, they are just trying to be pragmatic about it as a form of "temporary retreat".
Yeah... I'm not gonna respond to that, trying to keep a good faith convo... But you seem to be more interested in slander...
Thank you. I know we disagree on some things, but this is a far more accurate reading of my position.
It still lacks nuance, being a kinda rushed summary from memory ^^'
That's fine, I understand! It's close enough to accurately counter what db0 claimed, which was outright false.
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I am not being disingenuous! Cowbee has argued multiple times that China is in fact communism.
I am not trying to slander, wtf? You're seriously telling me that other MLs don't consider themselves anti-revisionist and revolutionary?
Sorry, imma need to disengage on this one (am mentally exhausted)
It's cool, for the record, I was legit not trying to slander you.
This was a good thread to follow. Genuinely enjoyed the debate.
For what it's worth, db0 misrepresented my claims, so it's worth going through again to see my clarifications, just to add evidence to back up alsaaas' claims.
I've read your stance on China before, so I know it's more nuanced than that. One of the few comments I didn't upvote.
I just like to encourage good (if not perfect) debate.
Fair enough!
I'd like a quote. I have consistently maintained the following:
The PRC is socialist, as the large firms and key industries, the commanding heights of the economy, finance sector, etc. are overwhelmingly publicly owned. The private sector is about half sole proprietorships that don't make sense to socialize immediately anyways, and the working classes are in charge of the state.
The model of socialism in the PRC is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.
The socialist market economy of the PRC is early-mid stage socialism, not a stateless, classless, moneyless society. Communism is a post-socialist stateless, classless, moneyless society where production and distribution have been fully collectivized globally.
The CPC is ideologically communist, ie Marxist-Leninist (specifically ML-XJT), and is dedicated to achieving communism.
China isn't an "ideal," it's a system that works for them. I support other socialist states as well. I've said that they are the most developed and advanced socialist state, but not that they are my "ideal" nor that they have somehow achieved communism despite having class, a state, and money.
If you're going to use me as an example, please don't misrepresent my positions.
I remember you arguing that China is communist by redefining away the state but honestly I can't be bollocksed to digging for the exact comment. I'm glad you don't actually believe China is a form of communism at least. I disagree with everything you believe but at least you had a chance to prevent your actual stance.
I've never once stated that China doesn't have a state. I have stated that administration isn't the same thing as a state, and thus some forms of what we think of as government structures aren't inherently a state (according to Marxist analysis) and therefore exist into communism, so that may be where the confusion is from. China has both those elements and formalized structures to maintain working class supremacy over capitalists and the petite bourgeoisie, so it definitionally has a state.
The PRC is a form of communism only in the perspective of communism as a process, the way Marx uses it here:
However, when discussing AES states, I don't really use that form of "communism as a process," as it adds confusion. It's helpful to think about communism this way as it relates to historical materialism, but that's deeper into Marxism.
I haven't said the PRC is "my ideal." I don't think it's my place to discuss whether or not x or y socialist project is "ideal," especially when all of them have flaws. What I defend is the socialist project itself, and recognize its capacity to continue improving and providing for the working classes.
If you're going to use me as an example, please don't misrepresent my positions.
Wrong timeline champ. He's still dead in this one 😜
That's what they want you to think!
Dogbert. Your most active user who got instance banned. They do that all the time and you gas them up.
Just feel that this needs addressing:
Socialism and communism aren't fascism. Fascism is inherently a violent protection of the bourgeoisie, not a collectivized system of production and distribution.
There are no real examples of communists issuing blanket "kill all the anarchists for thought crimes!" orders. Fighting has existed, sure, but never a one-sided affair.
Essentially, this isn't a "solution" posited by anybody.
No, the "evil commies" don't want to oppress you. We disagree on how society should be organized, but that doesn't make communists anywhere close to fascists. Where anarchists seek communalized and decentralized production and distribution, communists seek collectivized production and distribution, and both of these are entirely different from fascism and the system of private ownership that oppresses us today.
My god you’re annoying.
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