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I don't like smartphones. I use a dumbphone.

But this is a wonderful initiative.

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[–] Sizing2673@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I really want this to come to the US as well..

Is this phone also more secure?

The problem we are running into right now is Apple and Google are colluding with the US government over fascism and they are supporting their Nazi regime

They have all the power and they can change all of these services overnight, they can track you and everything and you will have no idea and no way to get rid of it

We really need an open replacement. Phones are now used for everything

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Is this phone also more secure?

Probably not.

Apple & Google have spent considerable amounts of time building out hardware security infrastructure for their products that I find it extremely unlikely Fairphone would have been able to match.

For example, the popular alternative Android OS GrapheneOS only supports Google Pixels, because: (Emphasis added by me)

"There are currently no other devices meeting even the most basic security requirements while running an alternate OS. GrapheneOS is very interested in supporting a non-Pixel brand, but the vast majority of Android OEMs do not take security seriously. Samsung takes security almost as seriously as Google, but they deliberately cripple their devices when unlock them to install another OS and don’t allow an alternate OS to use important security features. If Samsung permitted GrapheneOS to support their devices properly, many of their phones would be the closest to meeting our requirements. They’re currently missing the very important hardware memory tagging feature, but only because it’s such a new feature"

If even Samsung, the only other phone brand on the market they consider close to meeting their standards, doesn't support every modern hardware security feature, and deliberately cripples their security for alternate OS's, as a multi billion dollar company, I doubt Fairphone has custom-built hardware security mechanisms for their phones to the degree that Google has.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Well yeah, because why would phone companies care? Consumers buy devices based on camera and display quality, not for security, privacy, etc. I just had a chat w/ a coworker about a Chinese device with an incredible camera and big battery, and I highly doubt it does anything but the bare minimum for security. It's a cool piece of hardware, but a no-go for anyone that cares even a little about security updates.

I have a Pixel device because it has a long SW support cycle (Google promises at least 7 years), and I use GrapheneOS because it removes Google's spyware crap. I'm not married to GrapheneOS or Pixel devices, I just need something where the software support will last at least longer than my desire to keep the device (about 4-5 years for me). I've ditched each of my last phones largely because they ran out of security update support, and that sucks.

I'd prefer a Linux phone w/ decent security features, but they don't meet my minimum standards for things working (just need phone features to work properly, don't need apps). The moment a Linux phone comes out than actually works properly and has reasonable security, I'll switch. The FairPhone could be that, but it's not, so I don't have one.

[–] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago

Agree. Calyx is also an option when GOS support ends , then lineage etc. Wish we had good working Linux phones but I have high hopes my pixel 7 will be my last android

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